I’m Yours
With characteristic resistance, self-dismissal, humility and embarrassment, David sings along with the great Jason Mraz track, “I’m Yours” (we get to hear it a capella) and provides a pretty exciting glimpse of what’s in store when the material matches his talent.
I love hearing him do this, but I have to say that if I was his publicist this kind of thing would never be allowed. The reputation of a great talent is too important to have it exposed in public in any other way than in as controlled and prepared a manner as possible. Improvisational performance is anathema to any decent artist management concern.
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Hey Rascal. I’ve just been reading over at Snarky’s about how adorable he is when he freaks out over his voice. Have to get home to watch it and CAN’T wait! I so wish he could be on the outside of him for just a moment and see and hear what we all do. I agree about the impromto tricks they let djs pull on him and how that has the potential to backfire. They need to be a little more protective of him. Like if he doesn’t like singing in the morning, don’t make him or let him. He’s not a trained seal, after all. He’s a multifaceted, megatalented genius.
Unfortunately, Angelica, if artists or their management do not prohibit their being treated like a trained seal, that is precisely what will happen.
Rascal, “I love hearing him do this” followed by “but I have to say that if I was his publicist this kind of thing would never be allowed.” ROTFLMAO … you (and your other you) rock!
Rascal: I totally agree with you. I’m actually surprised that David agreed to participate in this game. Yesterday, at another radio station in Florida, a DJ asked David to sing his AI audition, “Waiting On The World To Change”. He politely refused and said “I don’t think I want to re-enact that.” I was waiting for him to refuse again, this time. These DJ drive me nuts. As long as their show gets attention and people are willing to jump through hoops, they will go ahead with their shenanigans. I have no respect for them for taking advantage of David’s age and good nature.
He actually did a terrific job on the song and I so wish he wouldn’t be so hard on himself, but that’s not the issue here. He obviously didn’t care when everyone told him how well he did. Maybe now he will learn to trust his inner voice more and say ‘NO’ even if it means disappointing people. He’s no longer a singer in training, no longer a contestant on American Idol. He is now a professional recording artist who is on his way to a huge career. I wish he would own it.
BTW, the video isn’t playing for me but it’s just as well. I already heard the audio and don’t care to see David in any emotional pain.
Bebereader, maybe I’m way off base but I sense that David does listen to his inner voice and doesn’t get talked into doing anything he doesn’t want to do. In that same interview he said no to doing the national anthem, for example.
I love the fact that singing is like breathing for him, whether it’s spontaneously prompted by a word someone says, or a random melody in the background — not up on a pedestal for exclusive, tightly controlled occasions only. He was nervous at the prospect of this little contest but excited too, I think, not in emotional pain. Just my humble opinion though.
“The reputation of a great talent is too important to have it exposed in public in any other way than in as controlled and prepared a manner as possible. Improvisational performance is anathema to any decent artist management concern.”
Totally disagree with you, Rascal. If I just wanted to hear an artist be totally prepared I’d just buy his CDs, enjoy them, and move on to the next robotic artist. What, to me, makes a great artist is their ability to laugh at themselves, to put themselves out there so that us common folk listeners can somewhat identify with them as human beings.
One of the reasons that I don’t go to operas is that, even though the singing is wonderful, every note is the same each time you hear it. There is, to me, so little self expression and individual artistry. I love it when an artist allows themselves to be thrust into a different genre or an impromptu performance. That shows their gifts.
TOfan – my tickets for Allentown arrived today too – I was so excited when I saw the envelope!!! I am looking forward to meeting you and the others who are going to Allentown!
rascal, I disagree what you said.
“The reputation of a great talent is too important…”
Maybe to David being himself is more important than the reputation of a great talent by being controlled.
I love David because he is David, and not because he sings perfectly all the time or I see him only of the good part. We have plenty of great artists in the world but none so far who is just being a live human just like me other than David.
He is a peculiar being. I don’t want him to be one of those covered up talents.
TOfan5 I so hope you’re right. Did you see his reaction when they played back his song? He threw off his headphones, said “blah blah blah” into the mic and “Please buy Jason Mraz’ CD; you’ll enjoy it more.” Like he always says about himself, he can’t stand to hear himself singing. I’m very aware that David listens to his inner voice. That’s one of the qualities that I deeply respect about him, but this time, his reaction was so strong that it seemed to me like he was sorry he agreed. His voice coach Dean Kaelin once said that David doesn’t like singing without the hearing device in his ear which enables him to hear his own voice while he’s singing. Today, when he found out that he wouldn’t be able to hear himself while he sang, he got nervous. Maybe he felt that it was too late to back out. I guess we can speculate all we want but we’ll never really know.
I see a young lad willing to try out what other normal 18 yo would have done. Although David said he was nervous, I had a feeling that he wanted to play the game and was not even worried to mess up. He even chose to sing a song of one of his favorite (Jason Mraz), so it must have been something that he has been singing to himself, alone or with his friends and family. I love that song and often wondered how David would have sounded singing it. He did really well and got his fanbase all worked up again ( just as he had done when he tried out to do the rap thing yesterday, or the Kanye West song at the jingle balls, or that wigalow at Seton High , or that chapstick moment). these spontaneous things he does makes him more endearing to me. -JMHO
I don’t think he’s in emotional pain bebereader. Nervous, giddy perhaps, but having fun. Thank goodness we have moments like this, with a less-than-perfect, somewhat goofy kid, to balance the previous post picture. Otherwise we’d all be floating off into the stratosphere with no hope of return.
IMO David’s ability to walk that fine line, any fine line, is fine indeed. Trust the Archulator!
Rascal- I thought the Mraz moment was fun and spontaneous. However David needs to stop showing his insecurity. I think the trained seal moments are listening to David crank out the album songs again and again in a miriade of bad acoustic appearances… I was just thinking yesterday that something with the last few appearances is bothering me, can’t quite put my finger on it. Things seemed alittle more professional during Jingle ball and started going down hill with Sundance. His exposure to me should be more selective allowing for some polish behind the scenes.
I think a deep breath needs to be taken, exposure is great–but what, where and when is paramount. Did Mraz ever go to a pizza parlor for a photo op???
Noticed Jeff in the background again on the video. Did he maybe not know where the camera is? He needs to be making himself more scarce on camera.
Although I agree that his publicist should not allow these spontaneous scenarios to pan out, I believe that we are witnessing, once again, another classic David moment that will create buzz all around the internet virtually guaranteeing that Mr. Mraz will indeed witness David’s impressive albeit impromtu cover of his song.
Ironically, David always seems to generate great publicity all by himself despite having a lame publicist.
It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if Jason Mraz winds up contacting David because of it.
I am not going to conduct a class on Artist Branding, Marketing, and Management 101, and of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but allowing David to pipe up at the drop of a hat with the most precious and valuable gift he offers the world (now very much with commercial implications) is quite simply profoundly foolish.
No significant artist in their right mind offers up their performances on command from just anyone anywhere, or on a whim. Doesn’t happen, shouldn’t happen. It jeopardizes so many carefully constructed aspects of an artist’s potential — artistic, commercial, and otherwise — that anyone who thinks it’s okay is selfishly demanding that David take risks he ought not take. I’m not saying anything about being spontaneous and impromptu in performance or in the right setting. Context is everything.
#15 I meant *impromptu*..
Point well taken about spontinaity and impromtu. Mraz cover I liked because he pulled it off. But I do remember earlier in January the WPLJ interview where he sang Crush and ALTNOY with a frog in his throat, early morning–bad bad. Shouldn’t his management have prepared him better for that moment.– “It jeopardizes so many carefully constructed aspects of an artist’s potential…”
I was bugged by today’s radio performance but couldn’t put my finger on why — maybe just getting a sense that someone needs to set some parameters as to where, when and how David will perform. Or maybe just wondering if anyone on the team is helping him wade through all of the variances of what comes off as professional and what doesn’t.
Don’t get me wrong. He is adorable and that’s how I see him. Just hoping he has some guidance in these areas.
The thing is, although David is a super talented, charismatic rising star in the music industry, he does not yet see himself in those terms at all. For that reason, I don’t think he evaluates how his actions will affect his career. However, this is what people love about him, and
makes him so beloved and popular. Everywhere he goes, and everytime he’s interviewed, there is a “we’re just hanging out” vibe and feel to the situation. That’s why there are awkward moments, pregnant pauses, and
times when he has nothing really to say. That’s how real life works. David lives in the “real” world, and in that world people get nervous, say dumb things, have nothing to say, etc. When I watch David being interviewed, I enjoy it, but not for the brilliant or pithy banter between David and the interviewer. It’s David’s “hanging out” demeanor that gets me on board.
David came into this stardom thing as a humble, uber modest “kid” who would never “blow his own horn” about any aspect of his being. Now, everywhere he goes, he’s told, and rightly so, that he is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and it belies everything he’s been taught to think about himself.
I’m sure most artists at David’s level of popularity would not have put themselves in the position he was in in this video. Of course, because of David’s talent, his performance was great, and he showed , once again, that he is a real person, with real feelings that he is not afraid to show and talk about.
David is as popular as he is precisely for what he shows in this video. He is a complete original, and he is not afraid to be a real person even as he becomes a pop culture superstar. My admiration for him is enormous, and I am in awe of his unwavering humanity.
Rascal…I love you dearly for putting together this marvelous site and for starting off some wonderful discussions, but…
I really think you are much to harsh when it comes to criticizing all of the decisions that David and his team have made. Sometimes I just want to shake you and tell you to get off of that “high brow High horse” and just roll with the punches. I for one am enjoying David’s career, love that he is 18 and acting like it, that he is accessible and human, that he is rolling with the punches. I saw the same video you saw and never for one moment did I feel that David regretted what he had done or that the incident was “foolish” as regards his career. He was caught off guard having to hear himself, not because he was embarassed at the way he had sung, but because he had to listen to himself..something he says he hates. I thought he made a cute moment even cuter and made me want to replay the song again and again so that I could truly appreciate his talent.
I DESPISE Artists that think (whether themselves or their team) that there gift is so superior that the only way they will share it is to the highest bidder. Being real and participating in “stupid” sing alongs endears someone to their fans. Walking around with a corncob up their butt only makes them the laughing stock of most of us “simple” folks.
Hi Rascal – It’s ALWAYS so good to hear from you. Hope you’re keeping yourself well.
Hi everyone,
I’m divided on this topic. Yes, I believe he should mostly perform in a controlled setting because as much as we know David can sing – his type of voice showcases best when he is prepared and the setting compliments it.
However I also agree with both Laura and Bliss.
With Laura – because I’m also starting to feel these acoustic sets are becoming more of the same. Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t he perform them the day before on 3 separate occasions? I also don’t know about anyone else here but when he comes to the bridge in ALTNOY, I become a nervous wreck because in an uncontrolled environment and varying weather conditions your voice can take on a unpredictable life of its own. In addition with his vocal history, and personal concerns I just feel it has become all a bit risky.
I know he is limited somewhat by marketing and to a lesser degree his keyboard proficiency, but why can’t he perform other songs from his album. That is why I throughly enjoyed this impromptu performance and his reaction because it was different from the rest.
Where I agree with Bliss is because his reaction was a total surprise. We have almost always seen David as poised and well-mannered but on this occasion – it was a glimpse into his persona “off-stage”. Insecurities, spaz attacks, warts and all. Even though he was palpably nervous – he took the plunge. Heck, this is probably how he sings it in the car or in the shower – and I LOVED IT!!!
Tess,
You seem to exxagerate much of what I say and misinterpret the rest. Your accusation that I am too harsh in my criticism of the decisions made around David’s career misses the point: It is their LACK of decision making that is the problem. They seem much too willing to acquiesce to any request — that may seem at first glance like the way to get exposure, the way to win friends and influence people, but at the end of the day it smacks of desperation and a lack of grounded confidence in what you have to offer the world.
This business of being tickled goofy that David is “just himself” and “hanging out” is all very well, but it is also terribly naive and potentially damaging to David’s long-term interests.
#20 blisskasden – Amen! Today reminded me of David’s nervous excitement on the day when he heard the radio premier of “Crush” on the Elvis Duran show. It was (is) the same “unwavering humanity.”
Context matters…performance matters…the frame matters….
Would a beautiful actress whose career is to be built on her incredible beauty, early in her career, allow herself to be photographed for the fun of it if she didn’t look her best at the moment?…if you were her publicist might you say, “Elizabeth, you are the most beautiful woman in the world and your public expects you to look beautiful, that’s part of the mystique and image. Please don’t go along with photographers taking your picture with your bedhead and no makeup and your natural blemishes exposed and those pants that don’t fit right…”
I think when you are building a career and a reputation you need to put your most professional and calculated foot forward at all times…remember…we already know him, not everyone does, for some it may be their first and only exposure…each opportunity for exposure is just that~ an opportunity to build a reputation AS AN ARTIST. With all due respect to all of us and our delight in seeing him as he is (I personally loved the vid/game/his reaction), I’m not sure that a fan’s desire to see him as a real person should be the paramount value at his time… to be seen as a brilliant young artist and to build that reputation should not be subordinated to the marketing plan of him being a fun-loving teenager… to have a philosophy of “I’ll do whatever and go with the flow” might allow others to begin to define you…
I also notice that the stylist seems to be long gone (unless casual jeans, a shirt, scarf, and sneaks is a look,)…. he needs to be human, so do I, but when I am at work I project an image and have a reputation that I have worked hard to develop, and I am protective of that professional reputation…he should be too.
Well, I listened to it again only this time I paid close attention to it…
Anyone who does this to David is taking advantage of him and trying to showcase him in an ad lib state…I care very little for DJs really and wish that he was finished with them for awhile. Is this what the US radio stations do with all of your stars?
I agree with rascal because he wants to see David treated with dignity and professionalism that matches his musical talents and personality…
We all know that David sings even during conversations.
It is a great satisfaction for the DJ to be able to put David on the spot and get these reactions out of him…he shouldn’t be in such public display bringing out his nervousness etc. Let’s simply see David in concert, or Larry King Live etc. but not in a set-up situation he can’t get out of…
If you want to see David in his relaxed mode then watch him when he is with other artists, other stars, with his friends as we have been doing all along….now that is when he is natural…and loving it….
I really love David Archuleta. Hearing him sing I’m Yours in that setting off the cuff only reinforces that love for me. From him doing impromptu hip-hop one day to Jason Mraz the next just solidifies his uniqueness and exemplifies the vastness of his talent. It is as wide as it is deep.
I don’t worry about him singing in the morning with a frog in his throat because this is what he signed up for. Expecting perfection from him every time is both unrealistic and unfair. The crowds who come to see him are not worried about whether he doesn’t quite hit the bridge every time, they just want to hear him sing.
If he is expected to not sing except under optimal conditions then I expect he will sing only on a very limited number of days. He will not be in good voice every day. He will screw up a lyric, he may not quite hit the falsetto he attempts, but if that’s the point I guess I just don’t enjoy him the way others do. Maybe I don’t think he’s special enough just being an 18 year old, beginning his first full year out of the idol bubble. I guess I am supposed to see a struggling, bumbling, daddy controlled, sychophant, who should only sing in totally controlled conditions. It’s as though he (and we) would implode if it were found out that he is after all a human being.
Tess I admire your cajones (I know you are female, but you have symbolic brass ones for sure).
I am sorry for the rant, but the first place I wanted to come when I heard that David sang I’m Yours was ND. I knew that Rascal would weigh in. It’s just disheartening to feel that he is disappointing people (not referring to Rascal at this time), when he is just being himself. I don’t think this week has been a step back at all. He’s paying his dues. It beats doing the chitlin’ circuit. And there was no greater era or artists who had to endure that, so he is not above doing what he needs to do.
I am not rainbow and puppies all the time person. There are definitely things that I could kvetch about as far as David’s management is concerned, but the acoustic/radio promos are not one of them. He’s got to do things in a less controlled atmosphere as I think as he reveals himself to the public, he learns more about himself.
If David and his father thought that he was above it all they would have never chosen Star Search and American Idol as a venue. Considering his beginnings, I think he is progressing by leaps and bounds.
Waaaah! Jumping ourt of my skin here! Don’t always have the freedom to post, and I peeked in here a bit ago only to have to flee my EMPTY HOUSE for an appointment.
I was never so happy to be stood up!
When my appointment didn’t show, I high-tailed it back here for these few moments before the family returns!
RASCAL you rock! I totally get your point, a time and place… however risky, I don’t see any damage done though. I’d like to see what preceeds the vid you posted. Not quite sure of the context, but watching him sing and then the quick reaction vid had me LOL literally!
I’m so psyched about my unexpected freedom here with my empty house and cancelled appointment that I can hardly type!
off to snarky’s to see the beginning of all this…hoprfully!
HAPPY: Good to see you!
I just got home and watched the video of David singing I’m Yours. He was absolutely adorable and his voice on the song was beautiful.
But I when he said his heart was beating so loud the mic could probably pick it up…when he realized what he was in for…I wanted to run over and yank the headphones off and say, “That’s enough, we’re done.”
I know his actions and words are charming and everything he does is sweet and fascinating and a big part of why we love him so much.
He’s real and spontaneous and vulnerable.
But he felt embarrassed and humiliated. That’s enough for me. I don’t ever want him to have to publicly feel that way again.
Angelica,
Good points. This is exactly why David will need to learn to say no: to singing on command, to visiting all the church events if he is exhausted, to doing this and that to whomever makes him feel guilty if he says no.
Brooklyndawn — With all due respect, you also are missing the point. The concern has very little to do with perfection or optimal conditions. It has everything to do with not diminishing the value of your gift, with not hawking your wares before every mob and rabble with an impertinent demand. It has to do with not casting pearls before swine.
Rascal, is David’s willingness to particiapte in such an ‘improvisational performance’ not part of the brand of David. After all, the audience experience must match the brand image – and what could be more ‘on brand’ than such a carefree, unaffected indulgence of what he loves more than anything? I agree, his management team probably has no concept of the power of David’s brand, But he is putting it out there for us all to experience everyday. And we are buying. Perhaps we’re not used to a brand actually living up to it’s own hype.
Couldn’t agree more, Sunshine.
And trying to think like a non-fan here (not easy), tuning into the radio and hearing David nail Love Lockdown or Mraz or hip-hop/freestyle cannot be a bad thing, can it?
Totally and completely conflicted here. Hope that doesn’t make me wishy-washy. I agree with the bulk of brooklyndawns post and have to say that I totally loved this interview today. I was listening live and did have some concern after hearing David’s angst before singing. His nervousness was palpable, and it seemed to be mostly concern about doing a disservice to a song of an artist he so admires. Watching him go through this “moment” was riveting. It was like he wanted to, but he didn’t want to. His reactions before, during and after were priceless, and what they convey about this young man is an entire chapter in itself (and why my admiration grows on a daily basis.) Getting kinda lengthy here, so I’ll wrap it up.
I do, however, really like rascal’s point in his #31 post, and has given me food for thought.
David made the choice to play the karaoke game and he chose the song..right or wrong it was his choice..I think he may have regretted it halfway through..David is a perfectionist and a Jason Mraz song needed to be perfect as far a David was concerned and he didn’t think he did his best. It was an “endearing” few moments to his fans for sure, but David himself said he felt he humiliated himself..the perfectionist in him speaking.
I’m still wondering why David is doing all these Florida radio promos. Are these promos gaining him new fans? He’s already well known in Florida, so why all these promos there?
Good evening all . . I’m just wondering if the problem here is about agendas . . maybe some of us on ND have a different agenda for David than David has for himself. He has said so many times that he just wants to sing and to bring people joy when he sings. He did that today. (I get a little frustrated with the DJ’s too . . they have their own agendas as well) . . just sayin’ . . maybe we should “trust the Archuleta” and if it works for him . . then . .
I love the controversy…
“He was, in short, art without a frame….Mark Leithauser has held in his hands more great works of art than any king or pope or Medici ever did. A senior curator at the National Gallery, he oversees the framing of the paintings… ‘Let’s say I took one of our more abstract masterpieces, say an Ellsworth Kelly, and removed it from its frame, marched it down the 52 steps that people walk up to get to the National Gallery, past the giant columns, and brought it into a restaurant. It’s a $5 million painting. And it’s one of those restaurants where there are pieces of original art for sale… and I hang that Kelly on the wall with a price tag of $150. No one is going to notice it. An art curator might look up and say: ‘Hey, that looks a little like an Ellsworth Kelly. Please pass the salt.’
Leithauser’s point is this …context matters. Kant said the same thing. He took beauty seriously… Kant argued that one’s ability to appreciate beauty is related to one’s ability to make moral judgments… (and) that to properly appreciate beauty, the viewing conditions must be optimal.”
It’s one thing to be interviewed, but if he is singing (revealing his art) how can you argue that the conditions for the appreciation of that art should not be optimal? Why? Why agree to it? Just because he likes to sing?.. I think it’s a fine reason if he’s in a personal setting, but not a good enough reason when he’s at work…
David has become a “get” with the media. The problem becomes what to do with him once he’s on the show. David cannot be asked the usual trashy questions these DJs ask the other “artists” that stop by. David is a “shock jock’s” worst nightmare. He’s very popular, very “now”, but, alas, not in the business for the money or the chicks. He actually loves to sing. That’s why he’s pursuing this career. What’s a DJ to do? They have time to fill. So, they try to get David to sing, and then they talk to him about what it was like to sing on their show.
As David becomes more popular, it will be interesting to see how the media will deal with him. The “lettuce boy”, “stage father”, “did Cook deserved to win” era is over. David is an intelligent and interesting person if asked the right questions. We’ve seen this during the rare interview with an intelligent interviewer. These idiotic DJs are going to have to find something more interesting to talk about with David than how good his teeth look.
I guess what I’m saying . . and I will exaggerate a little to make my point . . maybe David’s main goal in life is to be able to travel around the country and sing and speak at firesides. If that is his goal, then we don’t really have the right to ask him to do everything he should in order to sing at Carnegie Hall . . .
rascal: Whenever I read your posts that are filled with frustration and pain I am struck with the unplumbed depth of appreciation you have for David’s artistry and the strength of focus and clarity of vision you have as to his career path. Thus this blog…thus why I am here.
He is fortunate, indeed, to have you as a fan extraordinaire!
I wasn’t sure I was going to share this dream because….well…just because………………………………………….
I had a dream in my bosses Lear jetting along the eastern seaboard in the early am hours today. I dreamed I was in my home town library, in my favorite leather chair, cracked and worn by hordes of happy readers snuggled deep into its cushions lost in their favorite stories….I am sitting in the chair with my legs curled under me next to a stone fireplace with logs burning merrily, a cozy reading floor lamp with a golden shade casting light over my shoulder and bookcases surrounding me filled with old friends and yet to meet new acquaintances. I have in my lap a leather bound volume of a book with the title “David Archuleta” embossed on the front. I turn to the table of contents and I begin to read the list of chapters….all I can remember is Chapter 3 called “The Experimental Years.” Oh, and I remember one more thing, the author’s name embossed on the front ot this book is…..rascal.
Mamasaun36- “He has said so many times that he just wants to sing and to bring people joy when he sings.”…
I actually think he has also said many times that he would like nothing more than to have a lifelong career in selling music. That is more what I want for him~ a life long career. Do I have an “agenda”? For sure. I am certain he will “sing and bring people joy when he sings” no matter what. But I am selfish, and he will only bring ME joy when he sings if he sings on records and in concerts… so as I see it, the success of his career (in so far as a recording company continuing to produce his records) is important and so too are the career decisions that he makes…
Gee, Rascal, I thought you were being facetious when you said, ” love hearing him do this, but I have to say that if I was his publicist this kind of thing would never be allowed.” Now, after reading the comments here, I guess I have to take your words literally.
The video itself was very adorable, but I didn’t have the context for what’s going on (a karaoke song in which David was put on the spot?). David’s being a good sport, so I can’t fault him with that.
If we’re going to be pointing the blame at anyone, I still go back to his management (or mismanagement?) team. He needs a good publicist, period. Not saying he doesn’t already have one, but if he does, I’m not always in agreement with the decisions being made for his publicity.
I’m in agreement with Laura#18 that his appearances need to be more selective, but who’s making these decisions for him? David actually revealed on his blog how nervous he was singing 10 songs for that corporate gig, since he hadn’t done so since his vocal paralysis days. Yet, he’s going on a 20-city tour where I’m expecting the same number of songs? (God, please let his voice hold up).
Is he ready, and is he getting good advice/management? Is that why Jeff seems to be hovering around him more than he seemed to have been during the Jingle Ball days? And, did Jeff get David into a deal that’s demanding all these appearances and performances? (I’m still of the opinion David could’ve taken it easy and just go back to finishing his senior year this semester).
I dunno. David’s a real good sport and a really decent and sweet person, but I do worry because exploitative, greedy people (and the music industry is filled with such kinds) take advantage. I don’t fault David for being who he is, but I do fault his management (Jeff, if you’re going to hang around David as much as you do, at least do your protective thing where it really counts) if they can’t shield him from such exploitation – if that is what’s going on.
David is living his dream, but it doesn’t take much for dreams of fame to become nightmares.
His schedule is insane! That’s why many performers turn to drugs. You almost need to just to keep that energy going. Not that I think David will ever burn out like this, but I do want to scream, Take it easy! You don’t have to do everything all at once!
I’m so grateful for SF’s nightly prayer b/c we do need to pray that David is surrounded by people who are doing right by him – which includes valuing the preciousness of The Voice and making sure its value does not depreciate.
And Brooklyndawn, I hear you about the “chitlin circuit,” but I would say the chitlin circuit – where the greatest music artists ever (Billie Holiday, Louis Armstrong, etc.) had to perform – is indicative of a history such musicians simply didn’t deserve because of an unjust society. Please tell me someone of David’s greatness doesn’t have to follow the same path. Haven’t we made any kind of progress musically? Why can’t “American Idol” serve as his starting point, rather than an even lower place on the totem pole that’s unworthy of his talent?
mamasaun #36..you may be right. Like I said on the last thread..
David “knows”..He’s “aware”..of himself, of so much more than any of us, of what’s right and good for him.
He has this ability to react a certain way to certain situations..Very mature when the situation calls for him to be mature, like turning the tables on Kathy G, and other interviewers..and like a kid in other situations, watches cartoons..favorite movie is Finding Nemo?? What happened to The Dark Knight? Did I mention David is more of an enigma to me than ever!
I just want him to take care of himself..take care of THE VOICE, the gift God gave him. Singing is his life..his air, his life-blood. He need’s to be more discriminating when he’s asked to sing at the drop of a hat.
Good night everyone..For David..
Dear Lord, Though we are unworthy to ask,
Please take Care Of David. Watch over him, Protect him from all harm. Cloak him with your love and give him the strength to endure all that is thrown in his path. Give David the courage and guidance to say no to those who ask for more than he can reasonably give. Surround David with loving and supportive people who love him UNCONDITIONALLY as we, his ARCHANGELS do. Separate David from those who have agendas other than for his well being. Give him rest when he’s weary. Give him stamina to sustain his hectic pace. Give him assurance when he feels doubt. Give him joy when he feels sad. Cloak him always in your protective arms. Keep David healthy & strong as he fulfills his Destiny which was written in his Book of Life before he was born.
Though we may be unworthy, we humbly pray.
Amen.
Sweet dreams! Be safe & secure in our love always! Take care. You will always be numero uno in our eyes! Thank you for all you do and for just being you!
CONTIGO SIEMPRE CON AMOR!
sunshine #32– you said it the way I would have. Especially your last sentence, “Perhaps we’re not used to a brand actually living up to it’s own hype.”
I do feel, ‘tho, that David’s management needs to “take care” of him on a physical level. David may be young, but how long can even a young man hold up under all the rigors of the continuous “less than controlled” events and promos they have him going to?! Let’s don’t expect him to subject himself to a continuous round of M&G’s where he could pick up a virus. No one can assure me that every person he comes in contact with has used a hand santitizer or is completely well. Constant weather changes aren’t good for any of us. I mean, sure, he’s going to change climates as he travels on his tour, but let him dart from the airport (or bus, if that’s the way they are traveling) to the hotel. Let him use some of his down time to just rest and relax. I read an article the other day about Mariah Carey, and she said that she will not perform unless she has had 18 hrs. of sleep before the performance. I doubt that David will do that, but he deserves it if he needs it. After concert M&G’s should be all he needs to do. I admit, I would love to meet him, but not at the expense of his career.
Off my soap box now. I love David Archuleta and want him around for my 4 yo grand daughters to grow up with and to love.
I saw David’s ‘nervousness’ as part excitement at being part of the gang and enjoying something he loves, and part humility at the possibility of one of his musical heroes hearing his cover. He looked like he was totally into it, and his laughter and rapport were genuine. I hope he never becomes such a prima donna that he can’t partake of the routine antics typical of any mainstream radio station. This is something they do with many of their guests, musical and otherwise. It was fun, and David made it pure entertainment.
sunshine #45 – I agree with you. There were several times when he could have stopped and said “ok, I’m done”, but he was having so much fun. I was happy for him.
I also agree with the worries about the rigors of his tour. I am very worried about him taking care of himself. If he’s not on stage, he should be in bed. Maybe someone from ND should just follow him around and be a “mother bear”. I think we would all be pretty good at that.
night night SF . . sweet dreams.
I think I they should HIRE me! I would make sure he’s resting, eating right, taking vitamins..I would sure NO ONE ever takes advantage of David!!
I am totally SERIOUS!! except my sister says..I’m too controlling..said I can’t control everything having to do with David, cuz when I talked to her on the phone last nite, I asked he WHY the Albuquerque venue is not S/O yet..she told me to CHILL !! Can you buh-lieve that! She reminded me that David HAS managers..has parents, has an Abuelita..and does NOT NEED ME!
Well..I beg to differ..David DOES need ME! He just doesn’t know it!!
Didn’t mean to go off…forgive me!
Good night now!
Kizzi,
I agree that this year in particular is all part of a grand experiment on his path to finding himself as an artist.
Yes, I agree with Rascal’s point, but at the same time David and ONLY David can find out what works for him and what doesn’t in the long run. Jive and or his mamagement maybe dictating the promo stage right now, but they cannot be held responsible for what he actually agrees to do or say between sets or during interviews.
Perhaps in a year or two from now or maybe even sooner – when David truly understands our appreciation for the depths of his talent (even though he thinks he sucks), and IF and only when HE begins to realize the true value of his talent – will there be significant changes? In other words, the shenigans or (stupid pet tricks) he’s agreeing to now – will he just say NO to? Only time will tell.
For as much as we want the sublime for David, it will have to be balanced on HIS part with what WE consider the “ridiculous”.
SF – oh yes! David needs you as his hovering angel. You would make sure that he had water, a warm jacket if needed or sunglasses if he was sitting in the sun. You would have a special hand signal that would warn him of really stupid dj questions and requests and he could deftly fend them off. You would make sure that the Albuquerque venue was completely sold out. You could help him with wardrobe choices (we like vests remember) …and so much more!
We could all rest easier if you were there!!!!!
Long comment that I just lost….so I will keep it short.
I loved the video personally and this one, IMO, will create buzz and help him….
BUT, I am coming with on the side of using caution with these types of totally unplanned surprises. The reason is the potential is there, that one of them will backfire with a faux pas that would hurt “our” David’s career.
So, I do think it is time to start “best” practices and using some thought for what he does. That does not mean stuck up, or unspontaneous…..just the realization that David has said he wants a long career, we want him to have a long career, and I don’t expect that will happen without some cautious guidance along the way.
On a personal level, the video is just beautiful, because David is just so charming and yeah, he sings pretty darn good.
HG, great points. I agree totally.
Instead of drugs, I think that David will turn to religion to help him cope (although it will concern me if he becomes too rigidly into the rules of his religion). I hope that along the way that he learns to say no sometimes, too, and to not feel guilty for doing so.
Does anyone know if he has a publicist? Is Arzoff the same as a publicist? Or does Arzoff just book his appearances and negotiate promo contracts (along with Jeff as co-manager)?
Hi Rae! and Goodnight!
Goodnight All!
SF: Can I be the assistant to the assistant?
I WILL do coffee, ( or tea) or water or OJ!!
SF, That is a great idea to be David’s personal assistant, or PA on the road!!
I used to follow Amy Grant as a teen, and I know she had the same PA for a long time and the PA helped take care of her on the road. Just seeing David in that thin jacket in Chicago or out in the sun coughing and with a fever this summer on the tour…he needs a motherly PA!
kizzi #40 – aww, I love that.
Perfectly said Happy#25-I think when you are building a career and a reputation you need to put your most professional and calculated foot forward at all times…
I love all the little “Davidisms” about David and of course The Voice and that is all part of my ODD. I visit the fan sites daily to watch interviews and performances. However, embarking on this journey has now become David’s career, no longer a contest, no longer a reality show.
Management should be trying to groom this young man now in the dawn of his promising career.
Wow, I finally caught the other part of the video where David freaks out when they playback his singing. Duuuuude!!
What exactly does he hear that the rest of us don’t? Sweetie baby, your voice is awesome!
That said, he was absolutely precious the way he was blushing. ha ha!
SF is right. David is an enigma.
On the one hand, he can’t stand to listen to himself. On the other hand, he gets that he can channel a whole other universe when he sings and that he sings because he has the ability to make himself and so many others happy.
How does he embody such contradictions? It’s so uniquely David.
DANG. That vid just … makes me love him more. How is that even possible? Gah. (It’s fractal, man.) I understand what you’re saying Rascal, but… I just can’t manage to see anything but mega-good in that vid. Guess I’m just a terminally smitten VICTIM… (big surpirse there, lol) (Oh, hurt me.)
hm… maybe I just need watch it another fifty times to come around. Yeah, that’s the ticket…
HG, where is that other part? (Am I looking right at it?)
Hey beebee…I still can’t get over how similar our names are. I mean Bebe/beebee isn’t even a common name! haha Anyway, nice to see you!
I love the way we throw this issue back and forth until it makes sense to us. For me, it’s not about how well David nailed the song or how diverse he is; it’s not about how much fun he had or how good natured he is to agree to do this on a moment’s notice; it’s not even about the fact that the song may one day make it’s way to Jason Mraz himself.
The radio station DJs should have enough respect for their guest of honor and not put a well-regarded singer such as David Archuleta on the spot and in this type of position, hoping he’ll agree. It’s like asking an actor to do a scene from a movie, cold turkey, just to see how well he’ll do. It’s just not fair or classy to put a professional on the spot like this, for the sake of the show and for the enjoyment of the staff. I’m sure they all discussed this before David arrived and said ‘Let’s see if we can get him to do it. The audience is gonna love it!” They knew David wouldn’t mess up but would they care if he did?
I totally enjoyed hearing David sing “I’m Yours”. I knew he’d do an awesome job but I think that asking him to participate in a game that was disguised as a barrel of laughs, was just disrespectful. And nobody is going to avoid this from happening again except David and his management.
HIya bebe!
For me, it’s not about how well David nailed the song or how diverse he is; it’s not about how much fun he had or how good natured he is to agree to do this on a moment’s notice.
I’m still back at the spectacle of David freaking out over his own voice. He completely freaked! Then he tried to drown it out with his blah blah blah.
So, I’m left to ponder: how can we get David to comprehend the true genius of his vocal skills when he “can’t stand” the sound of me?
A Herculean task, but I’m sure it can be done!
Anyway, I’ve had a long day and ready to head to bed. So glad to have these fun videos to put me in a good mood for the night.
Maybe I’ll dream that he’s a student of mine who gets a helluva pep talk from me. “Repeat after me: I am somebody!”
G’nite all!
Rascal you said I was missing the point and:
“It has everything to do with not diminishing the value of your gift, with not hawking your wares before every mob and rabble with an impertinent demand. It has to do with not casting pearls before swine.”
This is where I not only disagree but am a little insulted. Who are the rabble, hopefully the DJ’s and not his potential fans who listen to these stations, some with the express purpose of hearing David Archuleta.
I know some of these DJ’s are tacky, lowbrow people, but I don’t think that David doing a little impromptu karaoke is beneath him, nor is it casting pearls before swine.
HG, I think most artists have to endure their own version of the chitllin’ circuit. David’s genius does not exempt him from paying his dues. I certainly don’t think that David is starting any lower than he would have if not for American Idol. Coffee shops, bars and small clubs across America are littered with people who would have given their eyetooth to have the opportunity to do a little karaoke this morning.
Stevie wonder was certainly a genius when he offered up Fingertips, yet had to tour that chitlin’ circuit I spoke of earlier. He also had to fight Berry Gordy to be able to use his own voice, and his own songs. It was still years later that he gave us Songs In the Key of Life. Nothing was conferred upon him because he was a prodigy. He still had to pay his dues.
Tiger Woods were certainly a prodigy ie., genius in his field when he was putting those balls into the hole when he was barely a toddler on some talk show 20 some years ago. Nobody gave him the green jacket then. He still had to play with all of the little inferior kids on the junior golf circuit before he was allowed to play with the big boys.
Then there is the the idea of what we really want for David. If we want him to be just this untouchable genius, going straight to Carnegie Hall, maybe we should tell him. Then maybe he will stop trying to be a pop star, where radio is KEY, I mean this is why he doing these things. His cd has sold well, but it hasn’t sold well enough that he can bypass radio. He needs to be assessible.
What sets David apart is that he can sing anything, on the fly. Acapella, in the morning, anytime, anywhere. I am not going to knock him for doing it. I truly think if it was that uncomfortable for him, he would not have done it.
Finally, while I do understand the need for Jeff to remain in the background, I also think that many are shortsighted in why he is there. It’s exactly for some of the worries that people are expressing about his physical wellbeing. Also would we send him in alone? I mean it would certainly help dispel the stage dad rumors. But who would look after David’s best interests? Until he finds someone he wishes to travel with, the person looking out for him is his dadager.
Oops! That should read “can’t stand the sound of his own voice.”
it’s so fun when rascal posts a new thread and we all weigh in …. I always find it entertaining to see how differently the same situation can be viewed by different observers… hey Kizzi- Archuquantum mechanics ~ everything is relative
good night all. thanks for the fun.
Just want to say I LOVED how David handled himself today singing “Im Yours. Yes, he seemed nervous and looked anxious and worried when it was over. But he tried it and did it well. There was another radio station interview today where the DJ had him playing “DJ” and playing a song and he could say anything he wanted about each song. Even that, he was nervous doing and kept saying “Boy, I’m really BAD AT THIS” and the DJ said “No, you’re fine, just be natural”
David is such a great role model – he’s showing young kids not to be afraid of things even if you are scared or feel you’re not good at something – David at least tries everything and this to me shows he’s very BRAVE and reveals a lot about his character.
#63Brooklyndawn, By the way, I totally agree with you!
Before signing off, I just want to respond to your last comment, Brooklyndawn.
I totally get what you’re saying, but isn’t it obvious some of us don’t want him to “pay his dues”? Maybe it’s good that David doesn’t have Archies managing his career right now, because you know we’d be making decisions about which gigs are “too good” for him.
Also, what I’m hearing from Rascal is less the snooty “will only seek out David when he’s on a Carnegie Hall stage” attitude and more of a frustration that the voice he fell in love with has to go through these “growing pains” of tween/teen popish circuits.
I will say it again: it is failure on the part of his label/management to not be able to market David to his multifaceted audiences, which remarkably ranges from the bubble-gum set to the Lincoln-Center-audience set.
Clearly someone who’s able to feature “Crush” and “Somebody Out There” on one album is someone complex enough to appeal to these diverse audiences. But those of us who are adults are being asked to wait or – in my case – watch Nickelodeon for the first time in 2 decades just to see my David.
That’s a lot to ask from an important contingent in the fanbase who hasn’t really been given any significant signs that his label will be growing him in the next year or two (and let’s face it: by age 19 or 20, he can’t do the teen thing at that stage – not a huge window of time).
David should “pat himself on the back” not “beat himself up over this”. Yes, I too felt bad for him when I saw his frustration and worry after he did it but that’s because he’s a perfectionist and just felt it didn’t turn out good and seemed afraid it would somehow get back to Jason Mraz. But, I think that was his first reaction to it and when he looks back at it he’ll realize it was just for fun and he took a chance and it really wasn’t bad, in fact, his fans adore him more for it. It just shows he’s real, and human and people make mistakes and I just like the fact that he’s willing to go along with things and try them in any situation – that takes a very brave soul.
“Pat himself on the back”? “Beat himself up over this”?
I just want the boy to listen to his amazingly magical voice and not freak out!!
OK, it’s getting late, so I’m signing off for real.
G’nite all!
Even though David is 18 he does act a little younger than 18, actually. I say let him be a kid for as long as can, or wants to, or needs to be. Us mature audiences have to wait even though we know he has MAD SKILLS to sing all these adult, mature songs we need to let David do his thing and trust in him. I think that’s the hard part – he has young fans to please, and US!
Well, he’s a teenager, we forget and I think when he does something he didn’t practice at all – he gets nervous and worries how it sounded, that’s all. He should “pat himself on the back” for TRYING and going along with WHATEVER.
One more thing: I do think we have to consider that, those of us who are non-tweens/teens, are “waiting” for David because we know he’s got something to offer us when this phase is outgrown.
Which basically means that his adult fans are wading through the teen stuff to get at the substance of David. How many other teen stars can even boast of such a fanbase?
If he were anybody else, his adult fans would have moved on, once the label made it clear we were a non-factor. But we haven’t, and it would be nice for them to get a clue and realize we are an important part of the fanbase to pay attention to.
Had they considered us, they would have marketed David in such a way that he appealed to his peers while offering him enough serious music and publicity that was geared towards building toward that adult fanbase which cares first and foremost about good music and David’s ability to make it.
So, it’s not even about having to “wait.” It’s about being forced to when, really, with a savvy marketing plan, we shouldn’t have to.
Saying g’nite again!
As David would say
“You always have to look at the positive in things”
David’s entry into the music business at this time is problematical. The industry is undergoing fundamental changes brought on by the digitalization of everything in the world. Album sales were down 20% last year compared to 2007, just as ‘07 was down from ‘06, and they will be even lower this year because of the current economic downturn. It’s very tough to be starting out under these conditions. A new paradigm is being created for the recording industry and its artists. How is an established artist to survive under these changed and rapidly changing conditions? How much harder it must be for a new artist to become established when recording piracy is becoming the norm, not the exception?
David MUST curry the favor of radio DJs because the future success of singing acts will depend to a large degree on the local play that radio spinsters will, or will not, provide. I believe that the bulk of the future incomes of recording artists will be provided by touring shows and their attendant album and related sales, and that kind of income dynamic will be boosted or reduced by local DJs’ opinions about an artist. Maintaining a good relationship with these recorded music gatekeepers will become ever more important in the future. If my prognostication proves true, then David is, in his own inimitable way, doing exactly what is needed to increase his audience, and thence, his sales and income. The gatekeepers will have to ‘like’ an artist before they will promote him, and David appears to be favorably impressing those important opinion molders of musical tastes. It bodes well for his future marketability.
I have long believed that David represents the future of the music industry, not just with regard to his wonderful musical talents and achievements, but more importantly, with his open, honest and winning personality, character traits that become ever more important as time passes.
As the Buddha said,
However young,
The seeker who sets out upon the way
Shines bright over the world.
I find myself posting on this site once a month. LOL
Just wanna pop in and say that I agree with Rascal here.
Ever since the Utah NYE, down to Sundance and now these tiny radio gigs, David’s management have raised my eyebrows.
Is that the best his manager(s) can provide him?
The NA this Sunday would probably be the best thing since the Jingle shows.
I love David and would like to love everything he sings, but I can’t bring myself to enjoy acoustic ALTNOY.
#75, realmusiclover – I totally agree because I’ve tried requesting on Z100 David’s single “A Little Too Not Over You” and they’re still not playing it! It frustrates me because David debuted his single, CRUSH over there.
Maybe he needs to pay them another visit with his CHARMING WAYS.
For me, the less than musically literate fan this post is totally confusing. Though I have followed ND religiously since mid April, I feel left out in the cold……and it’s really cold. I love the VOICE. I love his beauty inside & out. I love that he always puts others before himself. Even those he’s never met and maybe never will. He says this all the time in the songs he sings (….”it’s about the message”). I love that he loves his family, friends and even his fans, too. I REALLY LOVE that! Don’t know if I’ve ever heard a celebrity/musician say that like they really mean it. I feel he REALLY MEANS it. There have been numerous times he would do or say something that was totally dorky (dorkable to me) and many would laugh and mock him. I would feel badly for him but he rarely seemed bothered by the response to his words or actions. The only times it elicited a response from him was when it affected someone else that he cared about. To be so selfless and yet so confident in who he feels he is – a dork, a kid, an aspiring musician……… I love it. Am I alone in this one? I don’t think so. It’s like SF’s evening wish for David. Our love is unconditional. We would love whatever he chose to sing. Wherever he chose to sing. Whenever he chose to sing. I’ve seen the faces of all the hundreds and thousands of adoring fans on the videos at all those concerts and appearances. It’s totally amazing. And I know he feels that love and he loves it. Must be why he flashes that gorgeous smile……
He’s said many times it’s not about the money (and yes, that is not what his management wants to hear) but he seems so happy with his life. Like mamasan#39 said “….maybe David’s main goal in life is to be able to travel around the country and sing at firesides. If that is his goal then we don’t really have the right to ask him to do everything he should in order to sing at Carnegie Hall.” I know this was an exaggeration and that he does want to sing for the rest of his life but not sure at what cost to him. Don’t think he can (or would want to) change all that makes him who he is……cute,sometimes dorky kid. I love it and as he says in You Can (only I’m saying it to him) “….if you ask me, I will follow….”
I’ve been thinking about this topic all day… as always, fascinating to read everyone’s different povs.
I loved the I’m Yours episode… as always, hearing David sing is soul piercing… I’m actually pretty sick of I’m Yours because it’s played so much on every radio station, but hearing David’s rendition renewed my initial love for the song. I thought his willingness to go for it was adorable, and, as pabuckie says in #66, he’s a great role model, in so many ways, and not just for young kids. He’s a role model for me! . One of the things I most admire about him is that he is completely unafraid to be himself. He doesn’t censor, doesn’t edit. He is totally ok admitting when he doesn’t get a joke, or doesn’t understand a question. I don’t know many people who are as honest as he is… he does not hide his feelings, good or bad, he never poses, never acts. He shares so much of himself with us, and that is such a gift! His reaction to hearing himself was priceless…and again, completely uncensored. I think that is one of his most endearing traits.
And, I know I’m rambling here, in response to those of you who aren’t crazy about his in-studio acoustic performances, I have to say, at least one of his renditions of ALTNOY from yesterday was particularly amazing. To me, he sounded incredibly tender and I haven’t been able to stop playing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJslWic728A&eurl
#79 Momofteens – loved your wording and couldn’t agree more. I am in aweof David’s genuiness and humanity.
Sunshine #32 – Failure to protect one’s brand cannot be part of the brand. David can be as spontaneous and unaffected and accessible and unpretentious as he likes, but when it comes to his voice, his work, his art, he should not discount or diminish the value of it by failing to have any parameters or criteria within which he will perform. There’s a word for those who give it away to anyone and it can ruin a reputation. And that, after all, is what a brand is.
Realmusiclover – #75 – It is indeed important to curry favor frm DJs but at what cost? And although your comments about the changing nature of the music industry are undeniable, isn’t traditional radio part of what is crumbling? FM radio has a fraction of the influence it once had. If anything, David’s current marketing strategies appear to be rooted rather too firmly in thoroughly old-school models, with very little real consideration given to new channels and paradigms — look at the senseless treatment of the various album versions in release for an example.
Good morning all! I’m still pondering this post and the comments to it.
As always, everyone is in agreement that David rocks and his Voice is magical (even if he doesn’t think so). Where our difference of opinion lies is in how we think that talent should be handled and if we see a lack of respect for that Voice.
There are those who say, there’s no respect going on; in fact, they love this impromptu, be-yourself vibe from David in which he doesn’t place himself above others and is completely comfortable in partaking in radio gigs like karaoke contests.
There are others who say, his Voice is now a commodity with tremendous worth and that David shouldn’t simply grace his precious commodity at the drop of a hat. If radio DJs want to hear him sing, they should have to pay for it – like we regular Archies do whenever we buy his CD or itunes single or a ticket to his concert. Radio DJs need permission to play songs, so why should they get an impromptu performance from David just because he’s in their studio?
The thing about it is: I agree it was a precious and hilarious moment, and I enjoyed it tremendously. From the YouTube comments, obviously it made so many of us love David even more.
However, now that those radio DJs have David on tape, they are now free to pull out his version of “I’m Yours” whenever they want. They can now use David’s recorded voice for whatever gimmick they want to use or whatever promo they want to put out. That’s where a publicist, as Rascal said, would step in and set up boundaries when interviewers or radio DJs have interactions with their prized pupil (oops! I mean, their prized star. I’m still in my professorial/teacher role).
David is just being David, but if he’s working with professionals and dealing with the media and public, this is how those professionals protect your interest and prevent you from being exploited. David may think he sounds dorky, but the rest of us know he isn’t and, more important, certain folks know that he is money. So, that’s where I see the need for his management to step in and set boundaries. If his publicist told David, “no, don’t sing if they ask you too,” you know David wouldn’t have b/c he would respect those boundaries set out for him.
It was a great moment, and I love him all the more, as many us have, but it’s time we all take an assessment of David’s worth and the precious commodity that is The Voice.
I don’t think this is about being snooty or judging that David’s “too good” for certain things. It’s about setting up boundaries and high expectations for what his talent needs.
Really, it’s about respect. It was lack of respect for who David is as an artist that made me cringe over the NYE and Sundance gigs. Because wherever he is, David gives his all and graces everyone with his presence and talent. Not everybody is showing that they appreciate his generosity.
HG, I get your point.
It was not clear yesterday that anyone felt that David was disrespected. If that is case, I don’t condone it.
My conundrum is that if it were enjoyed by David, agreed upon before David arrived, and enjoyed by a multitude of fans, unlike the NYE and Sundance events what was wrong about it?
Certainly in some way he was being paid. Maybe not in cash, but there is certainly a quid pro quo involved in doing these radio sponsored events, isn’t there?
I know radio isn’t the force it once was, but it’s still one of the only games in town.
Since there seems to be so many mis-steps taking place for many, what should David be doing? Maybe I would be a little less put off by what I see as a growing elitism, if I could see the other side. I mean until he makes his Lincoln Center debut, what should he be doing?
Questions for those of you who don’t like the choices being made in David’s career….
How should David be marketed? Where would the money come from? Which young, untested Artist is doing the “right things” and how is their name getting out into the marketplace? Since Top Pop 40 seems to be the incorrect format for David what radio genre should play his music? Since David chose AI, how now does he divorce himself from the stigmas associated with the show?
I keep reading about the shoulds now I want answers as to how this should be accomplished, not pie in the sky but real time real answers with examples of Artists who have taken these paths in their careers and the results.
Good morning all. I am a long time lurker who has thoroughly enjoyed ND since April, 08. Both sides of this debate have merit.
I believe that David loves and feels energized by fan interaction and, being new to the music business, is willing to put himself out there – regardless of the venue. That is what we fanatic fans see and love about David – being real and spontaneous.David is 18 and a young 18 in the ways of the world and he is merely reacting the way he would if he were around friends. That is a magical thing to witness. It would be sad if we were not able to witness this side of David ever again.
The other side is the business side of this world that he has opted to join. Rascal and those of you expressing dismay at the total lack of insight on the part of his management team are right on.
I believe making David understand that he IS the voice and a prodigious talent and not to be taken lightly is paramount to his success and he is simply not there yet.He will be but I think that a transition period is needed for him AND his management to own this belief and take steps to see that he can still be himself but in more selective cirucmstances. I am as impatient as some of you are to see him in venues that merit his talent but the fact is, we have to give him time. His management, on the other hand, needs to get into the mindset NOW so that they can give him direction and suggestions that will allow David to feel comfortable moving away from the Idol “forum” to becoming the trendsetter that the music world so desperately needs.
In the meantime, I will be drug to standing room only venues and will tune into ICarly and watching videos so that I can continue to experience whatever David has to offer us now. I am crossing my fingers that I will live long enough to see and hear David in the venues that he so richly deserves.
I don’t post often as wordpress seems to randomly decide to reject my password, but anyway… I have always loved David’s interviews. My fam has been in radio for years and I get all the “stuff” they pull to try to appear hip and edgy. David has always been a delight and seems to enjoy the interplay. What I don’t like lately are the performances of his songs in godknowswhat locations and conditions,that he pulls off on sheer megatalent. It was painful yesterday to see him standing beside the keyboard listening to the gal reciting the lunch specials at the pizza place. The two songs now seem overexposed because we all listen to every clip. I’m still not clear why he was doing all this promo in Florida. What I am sure of is that I comb the sources daily for any dose of David and so I’ll take what I can get. The rap bit was my fave and I’ve replayed it a zillion times. David is the consummate risk taker and I love him all the more for that quality. Cannot believe I’ll be seeing him live again soon. I hope the stylist can reappear by then with better wardrobe.
David is doing all of the stuff the people he admires had to do before they were recognized for the magnificent artists they are. The only difference is that he has the fanbase before he began to do alot of the grunt work.
Jason, John, Natasha, and Sara all had do stuff that they might have rather skipped, but because they came up the normal way, they had to do it. David doesn’t get to jump over all the hurdles at once because we think he’s uber talented.
I will shut up now because I hate people who beat dead horses. Unless I have anything more susbstantive to add, I will lurk
Welcome, bydesign! Thank you, thank you, thank you! for making the points you made. They are so spot on.
I think you really hit the nail on the head. Again, I keep going back to: David is so not the problem here. It’s his management who hasn’t demonstrated in significant ways (at least to me), that they see his potential growth. They are incredibly stuck and limited in this image of David as a “teen star,” and I think they need to get with the program. I don’t care how fun loving and adorable and young he is. The bottom line is: he’s 18, which means that he doesn’t have the same time frame to build up a “teen idol” persona when, in 2 years, he simply won’t be a teen.
We keep forgetting that the Jonas Brothers, Hanson, Miley Cyrus, all these “teen idols” started relatively young. Miley was at the height of popularity at the tender age of 14. These teen idols have a time frame of 3-4 years to play around with this public persona. David, no matter how young he is in mind and spirit, does not have 3-4 years to play around as a “teen idol.” He’s at the moment where he needs to transition. And he’s got the serious talent and sophistication to do this.
His debut album gave me hope that “Crush” was just the teen-starter thing before they started pushing him towards a deeper, more nuanced young adult persona that songs like “Desperate” or “Barriers” or “Somebody Out There” represent. They still have time to “grow” him into this persona, but it feels a lot like they’re stuck in the tween/teen moment.
That his label/management is going down this route means they are not thinking of his “growth.” They’re thinking in the here and now, and that, to me, is the problem.
Yes, David needs to appeal to his peers, but he’s got an adult audience too. He’s at an age where his label/management can construct him towards that audience as well. I have tremendous high hopes for Album #2 (not just because 2 is his lucky number).
So, since Tess and Brooklyndawn asked what should be done differently, I can only speak for myself. I’ve gone on record explaining how I might have approached David’s career differently.
As his publicist/manager/label/whoever, I think the “Crush” single was a smart move as debut single. It brought back his youthful persona, which got lost somewhere during the AI season towards the later weeks. It showed off his vocal prowess while being a really catchy pop tune.
I would’ve released ALTNOY closer to the debut album, and have two singles in rotation. Both tracks, IMO, really showcase David’s vocals and his original sound quite well, and the two songs set up different moods – the bouncy hopeful David vs. the emo, angsty David. I personally would’ve preferred “Waiting for Yesterday” as his second single, but being that it’s a bonus track (bad move on the label’s part anyway!), I understand.
Such a public persona would mean that I recognize David is “growing” into a more complex person: from the young teenaged boy having an innocent crush to the now-older-having-had-his-tender-heart-broken-I’m-experiencing-the-world young man who’s ready to take on a more complicated role. Setting up a more mature third single.
That’s all. Two songs would be the deal breaker here. And, sure, he can still be “just David” in his interviews and all that, but if he’s going to be pushed to do photo shoots for J-14, why not also push him to do photo shoots and interviews in Spin or other music mags? I imagine, for Album #2, he’ll get there, but that’s where I would focus his career. I’d do a balance b/t the tween/teen market and adult ones. If he’s going to appear on Nickelodeon, he could also appear in a more adult setting too.
As it stands, they’re slowly building up ALTNOY, which I don’t mind – except I sometimes get a sense that they don’t know what to do with David. I’m still thrown off by their sudden switch from “Touch My Hand” (which they already had a music video for!) to ALTNOY. And they only did b/c the ALTNOY single sold better on itunes than TMH. I’m not sure they have the same enthusiasm for this single. They obviously had a tween/teen marketing plan (and we all read that memo), which means that the maturity of this second single means they’ve got to rework the plan.
They don’t see the growth and potential that many of us do, and that can be a problem. If I got the sense that they knew David would eventually get to the Lincoln Center, I wouldn’t be complaining. Because their marketing would show their expectations for David to “grow up,” and I’m not sure they’re displaying this awareness.
I could go on and on, but I need to head out to work.
Signing off until next time!
Just a few thoughts here:
We want David to make his own decisions and be treated as an adult
We want David’s management to make David perform in public at his best advantage
We have very little information about all of this save videos, a few blogs, pictures and random insider information.
I don’t know much about the music industry and will leave the analysis of what David needs to do to be financially successful to the pros; I haven’t taken any 101 classes in marketing and the entertainment industry (not that a 101 class would make me anything more than dangerous–haha.)
We have come together in our mutual regard for David’s artistry. We have varying expectations, goals and views of the path David needs to follow to get to the goal we want him to reach….that goal varies somewhat depending on the commenter…everyone’s goal has something to do with what is best!
Tess, I enjoy your perspective because it gives me another angle to see these issues. I was answering your questions in your recent post and then realized it was simply my expectations that were answering the question–what do I know about what David wants!!!??? ahahahaha….Nothing except he wants to sing.
Anyway, I will freely admit that I am a novice of novices when it comes to what works in the music industry for financial success and I’ll bow to the higher authorities.
Having said that I have spent the past 7 days (including the weekend) working with someone who believes they have the superior knowledge (not experience they will admit) on issues of which I am expert. I can’t give that person my expertise, I can only listen to their perspective and glean out what I can use to fine tune my expertise–there are grains of truth in every viewpoint. This person, ultimately, is invested in the outcome and chafes at the information and processes I am implementing as they disagree (from naivete and ,in this instance, a whole lot of arrogance) with the solutions in progress. So, my point here is this is a supremely healthy dynamic to have a frank discussion with opposing points of views….and what trust we have. And, ultimately, trust is what I hope to achieve with my current nemesis-naysayer….as I told him, I don’t have to explain myself to you as it isn’t feasible to do that…judge me by the outcomes.
HelloGorgeous #82, that was it! Your post defined for me exactly what it was that bugged me about “I’m Yours” episode yesterday! It was the disrespect shown, not when the deejays asked David to play the game (he could have refused,) but when they played David’s singing back to him. They were quite obviously aware that David doesn’t like hearing his own voice. Really, that’s a natural response, but most of us aren’t as open about admitting these foibles. That’s when David sounded the most insecure, and as cute as we fans think he was, I’d be willing to bet that non-fans saw this as insecurity. Humility is attractive. Insecurity is not.
Some deejays are jerks. I think we’ve established that here with nary an argument.
I’m fairly certain that these deejays from yesterday were not even close to being the worst David has run into. But since he does need to still pay some dues, this is an area where someone needs to be taking care of David. Make sure the requests aren’t bizarre, and make sure David is rehearsed in some appropriate refusal methods when he finds them necessary.
look at this photo from the Chicago Jingle….
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-OGkf-zUZYE/SYM1_NzTfmI/AAAAAAAAE2Q/xY4JvI4Z7Io
then look at this photo from the fireside chat….
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-OGkf-zUZYE/SYr0mfTRnUI/AAAAAAAAFAI/7gVv81YZbPE
He makes me dizzy..and confused
Don’t know why I posted this..David is like two different people…He loves both worlds. I worry he will someday leave one for the other and it makes me sad…
“That’s when David sounded the most insecure, and as cute as we fans think he was, I’d be willing to bet that non-fans saw this as insecurity. Humility is attractive. Insecurity is not.”
Why do we think that these little video clips are out there for the masses to see and scrutinize. If you head to youtube there might be several 1000 views for this video and I would think 90% are fan views. Also, this is a local radio station…the relative few fans that will see this video are inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. Besides, you will never confince me that David didn’t enjoy that whole episode. The smile on his face was enormous.
We, at ND, are internet junkies. We are coveting all things David. We watch and listen, rewatch and listen, analyze and dissect every little thing David does. Do we do this with other Artists, are we analyzing every little thing they do, every note they sing? Probably Not.
My whole intention with all of my postings is just to make us think a little. To understand, a tiny bit, about how hard this industry is and how much work is involved to move even a tiny step further. I, for one, know that David will evolve, mature, become the creative artist he is destined to become. But, in the interum, since I have become such an internet junkie, I will continue to read, listen, search, enjoy, sometimes feel uncomfortable, will sometimes become mad, sad, or angry, but will always try to keep David and his career in proper prospective.
I believe that we become tuned in to the mechanics of the business world when we are in the midst of something compelling ourselves…Our minds are perhaps working 24/7 to accomplish what we need to and our nerves are close to the surface…Maybe one sees more clearly just how superficial people can be and without hesitation we are suspicious of the people managing David…
The mediation that I have mentioned before will be next week and there is so much preparation at this point to put 15 years of hardship into 15 pages of a draft…I have the mediator flying in from Toronto for a mulit-million dollar lawsuit that has two Canadian doctors facing off with two American doctors and of course all specialists in their fields but only two deserving to be called specialists…One becomes sensitive to how people are being used beyond what is reasonable and like in Silverfoxe’s evening prayer…Give David the courage and guidance to say no to those who ask for more then he can reasonably give……a prayer that needs repeating..
Tess, I understand your points and agree with you on many levels. Was not the radio show on air, however? With listeners who may not have been fans already? Also, if you look on David fansites and blogs, you read lots of love for David. If you look on at his mentions on other types of blogs, you can still find plenty of negativity. His reputation in even these smaller airings does matter.
My discomfort was more a personal issue, however. David may smile and show his supreme patience for foolishness, and I truly believe he is a happy soul, but this constant barrage of challenges to his good nature must wear on him. This is where a good manager and.publicist could be of help. He is young. Wise, yes, but young. Anyone in his position could use help navigating the complications of an entertainment world focused on the mighty dollar.
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i don’t know flip about the music industry or marketing. It doesn’t bother me that he does the radio junket or charms the DJ’s. He wants his music played and needs the publicity at the start of his career. But, he does not owe them a live performance of his voice at the drop of a hat. Why can’t they play his recorded songs and then talk to him about his music like I’ve heard them do for so many other performers and bands? Would that not be acceptable due paying? Or does the fact that he is a musical prodigy, with the ability to pull an a capella rendition off at the drop of a hat, entitle them to exploit that gift?
I watched David the first time he heard Crush played on the Z100. He was nervous and overwhelmed with pure joy because it was his first time to hear himself on the radio. And it was a recording he had done his best on and felt good about. What we all witnessed there was pure elation. That is not the same thing I saw yesterday. He was smiling, yes, but I watched how often he lost that smile and had to hitch it back up. Yes, it turned out well; he once again, pulled the trick off they cued him to do. But, what if it hadn’t worked out well? What if it had gone badly and his voice had come off lame, off pitch, or weak? We, and David, are benefiting from a fortuitous outcome to a risky action. He has over half his solo tour sold out in a matter of days. Some shows sold out in minutes. He may not be ready for Carnegie Hall yet, but he is certainly past having to trot on cue for these jockeys.
SF, I was not able to pull up the photos you included, but I can imagine the two worlds that they reflect. David, on one hand, is what I believe a (naturally) sensual and passionate person when immersed in his art outside the bounds of human-made restrictions, but on the hand, he is immersed in a religious culture, which he appears to have taken very literally and seriously, and from all the accounts I have read from people who know him, he has very rigid moral standards and even rules for himself. Although he does not preach to fans, he has no problem giving those closest to him advice.
Thank you for allowing me to join this site. It’s quite difficult to be able to find a place to read and share about this. I’ll go into more about that another time, but I’m consistently teased and made fun of for my love of David. He moves me to tears .. and I am ever so greatful to Jeff and Lupe for supporting him, and encouraging him to share with us, what they’ve nourished over 18 years.
I digress.. I have to agree with this post, and I’ve been seriously seeing a lot of this “unguided” impromptu “horse and pony” show that really annoy me.
I worry that ..he worries, he lacks faith in his ability, he hasn’t quite grasped how his natural ability, will supercede forced effort every time.
No warm up, and the pressure he puts on himself to be better… leads him down a scary road IMVHO. Some of his youtube performances, impromptu, show a straining David, and it disheartens me that he is only 18, and marketing isn’t so much concerned with his longevity or overall well-being, as much as building “Today’s Buzz”.
I worry about reinjuring vocal cords that haven’t quite finished growing and maturing.
As much as his heart, and soul, mirror a much older and wiser David, far beyond his years, he’s still trapped inside a still maturing body of an 18 year old.
Thank you for letting me share my thoughts, one of many, I promise.
This thread of discussion is fascinating, with so many interesting insights for those of us who know nothing about the business end of music.
I have watched all the videos this week, and to be honest, I vacillated between delight and discomfort. (The reading of the menu was truly cringe-worthy.) Some DJ’s seemed to be fans and accorded David at least a little respect; others seemed to want him as a player in their own dog and pony show. Most of you are imploring management to help David be more selective and say “no” to some of it.
I am really showing my ignorance here, but I figure it’s a safe place to ask. Just who is “management?” Is it Jeff? Is it Azoff? What is Jive’s part in these promotional shindigs? Who is responsible for what? How does all this usually play out?
By nature I am a great listener and observer. I love that there are so many sharing their views of yesterday’s I’m Yours “thing”. I’m laughing at myself because I read one view and I think, yea I agree, then I read the opposite view and I agree with that too! haha Just wanted to say I’m here and loving everyone
I stand by my comment where I said I felt David felt humiliated after the karaoke thing..but I think he’s over it by now. I don’t think he dwells of his missteps. He goes on, cuz he’s got a job to do..many are dependent on him and his success, so he’ll continue to promote himself which ever way he must in order to have his music played..My question is why Florida?
David has a large fan base but I realize more & more that I’m caught up in a David cocoon..I read, listen, surf the net of everything David..so in my little David Universe, I have the mistaken perception (unfortunately) that EVERYONE knows & loves David Archuleta…Not true. There are certain areas in the world that have no idea that David A from AI has a CD and a hit song..they’ve never heard him on the radio or if they have, they don’t know it’s him, cuz DJ’s may play the music but don’t name the artist..have you noticed that? Also, why would they go to his concert if they don’t even know about his CD or that he CAN sing songs like SOT, or Barriers, or DESPERATE, (which I can listen to 24/7)!
The venues David’s concert has s/o are areas where David is well known..So IF his mgmt feels they must do these radio promos, why not in areas where he’s not as well known and where the DJ’s won’t play his music…Florida is NOT one of those areas. I was clueless and since I’ve been in contact with my sister from Albuquerque and she tells me she hasn’t heard anything advertising David’s concert there. Why not? Yet, here he is in Florida..and he has no Solo Concert scheduled there..yet anyway.
Save THE VOICE for the Solo Tour please! The TOUR is a BIG DEAL..David must be at his best..from the first to the last venue..David’s fans are taking friends & family to see him..and want to be able to say ..”THIS IS WHAT I’M TALKIN” ABOUT! THIS IS THE VOICE!”
So I’m pleading to to TPTB in David’s camp..
Please take care of David and The Voice!!
Sneaking in from work -
Actually, SF, though I don’t have facts and figures at my fingertips…from what I’ve read from the different sites I frequent over the last few months…Flordia IS a problem area with radio play. The radio stations in Florida have either not been playing Crush (let alone ALTNOY) or are playing it at odd times, like from 2 to 6 a.m. NOT prime radio listening times. So he gets a spin here and there but nobody is really hearing it. Plus a lot of the AC stations are just now getting on board with Crush (and he’s just now after all these months entering the AC charts with Crush – I believe he was ranked 6th either yesterday or the day before) as they are very slow to add songs and are usually months behind the pop stations.
This thread is FANTASTIC!
It should be required reading by David’s management…and it should be read word for word by Jeff Archuleta!!!
A comment on those of you who wish that Jive would ‘position’ David differently. Folks, to be blunt…Jive could care less about David’s future until (if and when) he proves to be a ‘cash cow’….the almighty dollar…now, not tomorrow…that drives their business. Have you not noticed how many artists are dropped the moment that the dollars do not satisfied management? I for one, am not sure that Jive is the ‘right’ label for David’s talents….but I suspect that a contract is in place (with a Jive escape clause to be sure)…and we will just have to wait to see how it plays out.
…..again “bravo” to all who post here! This is truly the home of David’s people!
juliebug..even if FL is a problem area..There’s not a concert venue scheduled there, and he IS well known there whether he’s played on the radio or not..on the other hand..there are problem areas where David is not as well known AND they don’t play Crush during prime times..or if David is well known, David is perceived as a little kid from AI…They won’t buy his CD or go to his concerts..cuz they don’t KNOW David the way his true fans do.
Granfan..AZOFF is the name of David’s management company..Jeff is part of his mgmt team. They most likely negotiate contracts, paid appearances, travel, lodging.
(I would work for David as his PA-Watchdog..for FREE, Gratis, no pay! AND no one would even know I exist! I’d be like a shadow, lurking out of site..
What a dream job!)
JIVE is the label and should be responsible for promoting David’s music and concerts.
Loving this thread, great discussion, everyone!
Regarding David being asked to sing “on command,” perhaps these little radio visits are preparing him for something much bigger down the line. Check this out at the 5:14 mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31H13YwU1vE
TOfan – touche (sorry can’t find the “accent aigu” key)
Would anyone say JH was a trained seal or dog and pony act? I think not.
Love this thread! Rascal you left us alone for too long but you came back with a vengeance (in a good way, of course).
SF,
“(I would work for David as his PA-Watchdog..for FREE, Gratis, no pay! AND no one would even know I exist! I’d be like a shadow, lurking out of site..”
Like a ninja. Like a stealthy ninja. Like a stealthy, stalking ninja fox! Can I be the personal assistant to the personal assistant? What a dream job is right. I don’t think they would want us, cause if they messed with him there would be HELL to pay!
Can’t volunteer to be the P.A. to the P.A. to the P.A., much as I’d love to, because I have my own kids with dreams to raise. But if you two would promise to make ‘em pay Hell for not taking care of David, I’d chip in whatever pennies I could find.
And I hope everyone here realizes that we’re all weighing in on these issues because we all want the very best for him. Maybe it’s because he is so open that many of us become protective. That very thing that appeals to us also makes us cringe we we sense that someone isn’t quite ‘getting’ him.
Angelica..If anyone even TRIED to mess with him…I’d be there like a flash & they would say..”WHAT WAS THAT? A silver streak just came through like the wind or was it lightening, and just like that..David has LEFT the Building!!
OR.. I would kill them with kindness..depends on the situation..
Bottom line..If I were David’s PA-Watchdog, I would never let him be taken advantage of or hurt!
Seriously…
Can only HOPE, if David ever has a PA, it’s someone who will put David’s well being above all else.
SF,
“Can only HOPE, if David ever has a PA, it’s someone who will put David’s well being above all else.”
That is your prayer every night and I hope it comes to pass.
“Separate David from those who have agendas other than for his well being.”
Holy Boulders! My head is spinning after perusing the ‘Noting David Days of Our Lives.’ Not to be Switzerland on this subject or anything, but I agree with both views to a degree, but I do think that Jive and Jeff have been and continue to be very smart by really plastering David just about anywhere and everywhere. Fame is fickle, and Idol fame is and Idol fans are probably the most fickle of all. (Well, there is Top Model)ha. My point is although we all know how great and amazing and transcendent David is, there is a whole plethora of people, future fans, that have yet to have that DA moment. Personally I thought the whole Mraz event and subsequent DA response was endearing, yet maddening, with regards to David’s own kinda ‘out there’ insecurities. He may have gained fans with that interview and certainly with all his appearances/performances, but I guarantee he didn’t lose any! Silverfox-Did you say you were going to streak? j/k..You are so on the cutting edge of the DA avatars. Love it!
JesseQ – David Days of Our Lives, indeed. haha!
I, too, am torn. So I am not going to weigh in one way or the other. But, I agree about the fickledom of AI viewers. Because those who might have causually liked him during AI have now moved on to Season 8. He needs to keep their attention.
RE: SF streaking. I’m scared now of what she might do during our song and dance number with Happy. Maybe Happy and I ought to have her sign something agreeing to appropriate attire. Maybe matching red diva gowns or sumpin’ befitting our roles and paid stalking backup singers. David can wear a matching scarf. haha!
erm….AS paid
A video of that would surely get some major youtube play!
SF streaking, with juliebug and happy as back-up stalkers, I mean singers!
Yikes, I am trying REALLY hard not to imagine that haha!
Hola’ Jesse! You are right..Fame can be fleeting..and fans can be fickle. Everyone here at ND are David’s forever fans..unconditional, meaning always, for eternity, til the end of time, til hell freezes over, por siempre!
But because fans are fickle, you are right..David needs to be front & center with lots of promoting..but the right promos. Wouldn’t it be great if they could show film of David’s best moments in the AI Tour or the Jingles on TV? Or snippets of some of the best songs off his CD played on the radio..to promote his solo tour?? Expensive?..yes! Effective? You bet!
Silver…streak…er ? hmmm? Whatever it takes to get the job done! Even streaking if it would help David! Just KIDDING! but 25 years ago..no problema!
( Actually, that was a blog name I debated using before I decided on silverfox ).
Woah! Talk about blinking at your own peril when it comes to David and his loyal fansitesI Been pretty busy of late but I have caught on finally with the 2 threads and all his videos – well almost
I so appreciate all your posts cos I can see that they are all coming from a position of love & concern for TheVOICE.
Although David can always say no – and we have seen how capable he is in doing that — I also agree that David’s management should take greater control on how and what goes on in his appearances.
I just thought of another angle re the DJs disrespecting him by re-playing his I’m Yours cover: I would wager that they didn’t take it seriously that David doesn’t like hearing his voice — that’s assuming the DJs are even aware of that peculiar trivia about David. We all know cos we are all like mad scientists keeping a microscopic watch over David
But the rest of the world is not (yet) afflicted with ODD.
Those who have heard of his weird aversion to his hearing his own voice/watching his own performance do not even believe it. In fact, some are even put off by it and take it as an overkill of demonstrating his humility. It is not hard to understand such reactions.
It is also not hard to imagine that the DJs genuinely liked his Mraz cover, enough to play it all over again. So David spazzing out over his voice on live radio showed he wasn’t kidding after all. Those clueless, got educated that David means it when he says it. Those in the know got confirmation of the degree of his peculiar aversion.
So now, we know better. Though am not worried (yet), let’s hope David’[s Management put that knowledge to better use.
SF — you always crack me up. You, inconspicuous as David’s PA?
JR..Hi there!
I know..it’s kinda hard to buh-live I could be like a shadow-streaker-ninja-PA for David..Of course I would be incognito at all times..wigs, sunglasses, walkie-talkies, ninja robes, sequined gowns,..UH..I guess it wouldn’t be very inconspicuous would it?
OHG!! YEDL just started playing on my ipod!! Ear Candy! Love David’s voice!! MMMMMMM!
“And you never will Girrrrrlllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll” OMG!
If I were David’s PA..I could never watch him in concert or hear him either…I would be MUSH..no good to him at all!
Unless I just turn my head & wear earplugs!
Boy, when us David-lovers get on this website we get totally uninhibited about our opinions about everything concerning David & Company. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose–only on the Internet can I find people who feel as I do about David Archuleta. Something I’ve noticed on here that seems to be prevailent is the idea that most of us believe that David–and his talent–are not being taken as seriously in the music world as they should be and Jive (along with Azoff, I guess) are not doing all they can do to promote David and his music. I know I’m in that category and I find it very frustrating. Granted the industry is having a tough time right now but there are musical artists out there who have millions of fans and get tons of publicity–and they cannot (in my opinion) hold a candle to David’s incredible voice. “Crush” did well on the charts but “ALTNOY” is not getting the promotion it deserves, it’s a great song, I like it better than “Crush.” What is the problem??? How come David is getting overlooked and ignored by so many people? I can’t help but wonder if David is doing all these publicity gimmicks because he wants to or because he has to? Maybe it’s both. A lot of people in the business don’t seem to be taking him too seriously, thinking he’ll fade away like your average teen idol (their lifespan is usually around 18 months). David deserves so much better than what he’s getting. What more does this wonderful young man have to do? Why isn’t the rest of the world catching on? That’s how I feel about the whole thing.
But on the other hand, I also get frustrated with myself because I worry about a young man (who I’ve never even met), I think about him every day, hoping that everything will turn out all right for him, that that he will eventually get the recognition and accolades he justly deserves. It drives me crazy because it shouldn’t matter to me so much and I can’t do anything about it anway! We have no control over what David does or does not do, we have no say-so in his career choices, we can’t make him do what we think is best, we can’t do anything but voice our opinions (and boy, do we ever!) and hope everything turns out okay in the end.
And I believe it will–just maybe not as soon as we would like. I predict a rocky road ahead for him (American Idol was just the beginning) and it could be some time before the rest of the world catches on to David and appreciate the gem that he is. But that day will come. I think David knows it, too. In the meantime he’s happy doing what he’s doing. I cannot wait to see him in concert in 2 weeks. It will be his 2nd show and I’m so glad he’s sold out more than 1/2 his venues–a good sign!
Trust the Archulator.
lulu..you said…
“only on the Internet can I find people who feel as I do about David Archuleta”.
That’s what I just do not understand…sometimes I feel like I’m the only one in the state of KY who is so totally mesmerized with THE VOICE and David. I know I’m not..but where are they? The others in Ky who have ODD or maybe not ODD, but are just big fans of David’s. Why does it seem as if I’m the only one in KY who is requesting David’s songs on the radio?
Why can’t I find others who feel as I do right here in my city?? I can’t be the only intelligent person in the whole state?? Why Do I have to get on the net to find “The Others” like me? Why are we like “LOST”? All alone on this island, David’s Island..surrounded by sharks who just swim around & around and can’t see what’s right there..the most beautiful Human Being with the most glorious Voice ever? It drives me cra-zeh! And Desperate..cuz that’s what I’m listening to now…I LOVE DAVID ARCHULTEA! ..and this should be the 3rd single!
I really need to go home now..before I give myself a headache!
Later!
See?? I even spelled David’s last name wrong! For Shame!
I know that sometimes it seems like progress is slow regarding David and his career for those of us with ODD. I don’t have anyone outside of my immediate family I can talk to about him except my online support groups. Still, his debut single is platinum, his debut album is gold, his debut solo concert is sold out in many cities one week after tickets went on sale. I read that he has over 400 fan clubs online all over the world.
Not bad for a kid who hasn’t even graduated from high school yet.
Off-topic, from the Y100 interview (from snarkies):
Which song would he sing if he could only sing one more song?
“If I had to pick one of the songs I wrote — one of the songs that means a lot to me is on the preorder of the album, on itunes, and that was called ‘somebody out there.’ and that’s just a song that’s really personal to me and really close to my heart.”
His fave song is the one that so many of us love the best!!!! It’s “really personal to him!” This is his true direction, one I hope to see more of in his future songwriting.
There’s a follow up video called “David Archuleta-Freaking Out.” It shows David’s reaction to having his version of I’m Yours played back through his headphones. It’s priceless and vintage David. I won’t “spoil” it for you by telling you how David reacts, but if anyone thinks that David isn’t the same lovable David from a year ago, watching this will reassure you. David has proven that you can evolve as a person without “changing” your core self.
David can only be himself, and that “self” is the best promotion that he can have for his career. He is, by far, the most entertaining person in showbiz, and there is not a scripted bone in his body. When he takes the stage to sing, the other part of his his enormos appeal surfaces. He becomes a breathtaking, mind boggling vocalist, on a level with the greatest singers of all time. He needs to left alone to roam his kingdom, which is expanding as I write this.
Right now people.com is featuring a great picture of David, headlined Pianoman from the infamous pizza shop promo. For all of us who worry about the appropriateness of said visit, the hundreds of thousands who see that picture will not think it was beneath him, they will see him as a burgeoning singer-songwriter. I will see if I can place the link for those who want to see it. Testing…..
removehttp://www.people.com/people/gallery/0,,20256876_20575071,00.html
JR4DA #117
“re the DJs disrespecting him by re-playing his I’m Yours cover” — I agree, I don’t think they were disrespecting David or trying to humiliate him. They played his clip back, then the other DJs’ clips as well, back-to-back, so I really think they were just as surprised at his reaction as we were.
davidfanLIZ #123, LOVED the Y100 interview, one of the best I’ve heard in a while. It’s at snarkies but no youTubes … yet!
WhatJustHappened #106, “accent aigu”?! Salut!
Brooklyndawn #125, great pic. (And you might be able to post links on this thread, they seem to work now.)
JesseQ – I was wondering what you made of the “I’m Yours” episode. Thanks for weighing in. I love the “Days of Our Lives” analogy.
chenson: If you’re lurking, what do you think?
my tween/teen granddaughters thought David was “cute” when I asked them to watch the “I’m Yours” on YouTube.
Quick story I must share…I went to Walmart and bought three DA cds to give the three friends I’m bringing to the Lancaster and Allentown concerts (there was only one more cd left after my purchase) and I stopped at the car wash. I had my copy of David’s cd blasting in my car and left it on while the car went through the auto wash. Then the 4 guys that dry it, armor-all it… opened all four doors to do their thing and I hear the Voice blasting Barriers, then Somebody Out There and You Can. There were several people waiting for their cars and this one woman next to me says something like “oh I like that”. I tell her that it’s coming from my car and she asks who the singer is. I told her it was David Archuleta and that he’s an amazing new artist and songwriter and that he’s 18. She said she thought he sounded great and asked his name again. I gave her one of the cds I just bought and she was blown away.
(had to run back to Walmart to get that last copy…but it was worth it)
Why do we analyze David so much and to the extent that we do? Perhaps we can alternate between worrying about the path he is on and enjoying him as he presents himself…
Wheeeeeee! I wanna play with you David!
http://infdaily.fusebox.com/2009/02/exclusive-david-archuleta-is-a-beanie-babe.html
juliebug, thanks for that link. What a cute pic!
jluliebug, the pix of flying David totally made my day. Thanks!
Oh SF you can still do it!! I could definitely see a ‘Best of DA post AI’ video promo happening. RASCAL-Get on that! You know with ALL your spare time…haha.. One thing I notice looking back on AI-DA footage is how much more restrained, and held back he was compared to his free wheelin’ little self at the moment. You know AI monitored/and or scripted any interviews. Trying to give that kind of structure to A creative soul like that, ain’t gonna fly!
Juliebug- Nice! He looks pretty dang ecstatic in that pic. Hope he landed OKAY.
Re DAVID’s FEB 12 engagement…
American Idol celebrities to kick off attraction at Disney’s Hollywood Studios
More than 20 American Idol luminaries will be attending next week’s premiere of the American Idol Experience attraction at Disney’s Hollywood Studios, Disney officials confirm. Along with American Idol host Ryan Seacrest, current winner David Cook, former winners Jordin Sparks, Taylor Hicks and Carrie Underwood, and past contestants David Archuleta, Bo Bice and Justin Guarini will participate in the invitation-only festivities Thursday, Feb. 12. (The lineup, Disney reminds us, is subject to change and expand.)
Theme-park guests that day can get a glimpse of the Idol family during a motorcade at 4:30 p.m.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/features_orlando/2009/02/american-idol-celebrities-to-kick-off-attraction-at-disneys-hollywood-studios.html
Still on another Orlando….
No Slowing Down for TONY ORLANDO
Q. Who of today’s young performers do you think will carry on the mantel of show businesses in a classy manner as you and those you just mentioned did?”
A. There are a few. I recently met Justin Timberlake and he was very gracious to my daughter. The Jonas Brothers are continuing show business in the traditional manor. What three good role models who display purity rings at the MTV Awards. Carrie Underwood is one of those people and David Archuleta-he’s something out of this world. He’s a prodigy. To seriously relate to lyrics at 16 the way he did blew me away. He’s humble and it’s a good feeling to see that.
http://www.laughlinentertainer.com/articles/2009/02/04/news_features/cover_stories/news1.txt
WJH #106: Qu’est-ce que c’est? Touché back at ya.
(option-e, e)
SB#130,
“Perhaps we can alternate between worrying about the path he is on and enjoying him as he presents himself…”
But I think that’s what we ODDers do already!”
DavidfanLIZ – Thanks for posting that quote about SOT. . It just happened to be what was playing as I read the quote. . . SWEEEET!
Jackryan4DA. Regarding your reference to Tony Orlando, it’s amazing to think that David is older than Tony was when he hit the music scene with back to back great songs “Bess You” and “Halfway to Paradise” I would love to hear David sing either one of those songs, although Tony would have to accept that, if he did, David’s version would immediately become the song, and poor Tony would have the “other” version., even though it’s his song. He’d be in good company, of course. Just ask Elvis, the Beatles, Elton John, Neil Diamond, Billy Joel, Ben E. King, John Lennon, and, as of yesterday, Jason Mraz.
Bliss – #124 – loved your post . . David is David. Honest. Nothing to hide. Pure JOY!
JR#135, so that explains what David is doing in Florida, huh?
Freo#97, where are you reading that “from people who know him, he has very rigid moral standards and even rules for himself. Although he does not preach to fans, he has no problem giving those closest to him advice”? Why does that sound like some “toxic” rumors spread by the likes of Toxic Glitter?
I don’t know David personally, but I’m having a very hard time buying that story. Someone who shows no ounce of being judgmental is going around giving “moral advice” to those “closest to him”? Puh-lease! I’m very curious about those “closest to him” spreading that kind of gossip about him. Who does it serve?
Good evining all,
I know this is off topic (still catching up above) but a I have a burning question as this next AI season is starting…
Was there any footage last year of David during the Hollywood group rounds? I don’t recall seeing or hearing of David when they were doing the high drama group numbers.
Anyone remember?
Rapture, last year there were no group numbers during Hollywood week.
Now that I think about it, no wonder David stood out so early and so quickly!
mommuzboys#129 – love that story. Who’d of thunk that would happen at a car wash. Bet she didn’t.
rapture#142 – I may be wrong but I don’t believe they had group rounds last year. I think that was one of the things they were changing back to this year.
Bliss #124 and Mama #140 – He is honest to a fault and what we need to remember is that he is playing to a much larger audience that “us”, his beloved fans.
I’m conflicted though… Do you ever feel like we are watching an “unplugged” version of the “making of a music career”?
At times I feel that the team surrounding him seems so raw and amateurish it disturbs me .
Then, there are times when we’re all debating the concept of “his image” that I realize that even if a publicist puts tons of effort into promoting a “persona” that all it takes is one unpredictible You Tube video to blow their whole concept out of the water.
I think David made a statement in a very early Idol interview that there is no sense in pretending to be something that you’re not because, eventually, people will discover who you really are. He had his ducks in a row then, and he has his ducks in a row now.
And to top it all off, we are now on our 140th +/- comment debating his career choices, he’s diving into a pile of beany bags.
I rest my case.
SF, I co-sign on “Desperate” being David’s 3rd single! Jive, are you listening?
Been lovin’ this thread, very educational for me. Mommuzboys i can relate to your post #100
“I read one view and I think, yea I agree, then I read the opposite view and I agree with that too! haha Just wanted to say I’m here and loving everyone”
Joner, loved your post as well, amen
SF and HG, I’m with you on “Desparate” for the 3rd single!
Good evening all:
Bydesign 85,,,,, well said!
juliebug112- I see SF has been playing with the bats in her belfry again …you are right, streaking is most definitely beneath us (and I am afraid would scare away our audience)…. I like the dress code idea, but think that SF might be more appropriately attired in a blue dress….with some Chanel no.5…
fee, fee, fi, fi, fo-fo, fum
Look at SF now, here she comes
Wearin’ her wig hat and shades to match
She’s got high-heel shoes and an alligator hat….
SF&HG, Sign me up too for Desperate. What vocal chops and emotion he delivers with that song! I know this is ridiculous so I shudder to even type it__but a lot of people didn’t vote for David or like him on AI because they thought him a too sweet, too disney, too boring singer of ballads. No edge. I know, God love em, they must be blind as bats and can’t hear thunder, but there are a lot of them out there. They like rockers with lots of wailing and knashing of teeth. David proves on that song he can wail and grind out an edgy tune with the best of them sans screaming and in perfect pitch.
124 bliss – “roaming his kingdom” I love the sound of that!
And bliss, just to add to your point, this is so DA:
In one of the videos from yesterday (the appearance where he was wearing sunglasses) in about the first 30 seconds of the vid the DJ says “do you all know who this is?” and the girls are all screaming and David looks BEHIND him! He sees no one there and turns around and says,”oh, me.” He is a treasure!
129 mommuzboys – great story!
No matter what little dramas and detours might befall David, the fact is that he is on a one way journey to music stardom.He is joy itself, in human form. In the immortal words of the 1958 song, “To Know Him is to Love Him”. The biggest and most enduring stars in show biz were the ones that people felt they “knew” and were comfortable just watching. Watch David’s video, titled “David Archuleta Eating and Bopping”. He’s in a room full of people walking around, holding a plate of food. It’s 4 minutes of David just “being”, yet you can’t take your eyes off of him. He doesn’t need a publicist. He just needs to “be David”. To “see him is to love him”.
Those inane DJs on that Jason Mraz video were completely in love with him. There is no antidote for what David does to people. You meet him, you see him, you hear him, you are in love with him. You can be 12 years old, 90 years old, black, white, short, tall, whatever. If you fall in a pool, you’ll get wet. If you come in contact with David, you WILL love him. When you hear him sing, you will not believe your ears. There should be no strategy when it comes to David. “He” is the strategy.
Bliss 153- you really lifted my spirits with that post.
Joner 145- rofl with beanie comment….
David: so many beautiful contradictions.
What a supportive and intelligent group everyone here is.
Joner 145 . . that was FUNNY . . LOL
OMG, Emmegirl! This!
In one of the videos from yesterday (the appearance where he was wearing sunglasses) in about the first 30 seconds of the vid the DJ says “do you all know who this is?” and the girls are all screaming and David looks BEHIND him! He sees no one there and turns around and says,”oh, me.”
This has got to be the funniest thing I’ve read about David all week. I don’t even need to see the video to burst out laughing!
Oh David! I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:
You…Yes, YOU!!
lmao… happy
“… not too skinny and not too fat
she’s a REAL humdinger and I like it like that…”
(my Mom was Devil with a Blue Dress for Halloween one time.
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BLISS: Amen!
Bliss, you really are sweet and quite rapturous when it comes to discussing David.
A couple of my favorite parts of the vids this week were…
1. The four little girls adoring him from the other side of the glass in the KISS 95.1 coverage by Channel 13. And him asking if he could maybe go talk to some of the people (i.e., the little girls). And them having a group hug when he was finally able to make his way to them. Such love flowing between them.
2. And the little boy Zach who was soooo proud that David signed his drum sticks and declared that David was just “awesome”. You could tell he was just about to burst. He’ll be flying high for days from the encounter.
3. The lovely young lady caught being overcome with emotion as she listened to David sing ALTNOY in the Palm Beach Post coverage from yesterday.
Gosh!
Hey! David is #1 on xRank for Celebrity & Musician..I just can’t imagine WHY? There must be some mistake..I mean who the heck wants to see David wearing sunglasses AND singing? And what’s the big deal about David walking around eating? And who wants to see David covering a rap song, or I’m Yours, or spazzing out when he hears himself?
Well apparently EVERYONE!!
HG #156..What’s even cuter about David glancing behind him, is that he really thought the DJ was talking about someone else..David wasn’t trying to be funny.
David will be going to Hawaii this weekend..I REALLY hope MOM can go too! Maybe the whole family..it would be so nice for them!
bydesign#85 – thank you, too (see HG already did @ #86). You definitely made a good point: “His management needs to get in the mindset NOW so that they can give him direction and suggestions” (rather than control or try to change him). “…..to becoming the trendsetter that the music world so desperately needs.” Don’t know about anyone else, but these are the things that define him for me. He’s so true & original. One & only, David (the VOICE).
Tofan#105 – whoa…..reality check???!!!!
This like totally made me smile so big…. Anyone up for a road trip? hahaha!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8jwBZYTp2M&eurl=http://fansofdavid.com/
HG
fanda
Thanks for your speedy reply! No groups last season; that makes sense now!
D-E-S-P-A-R-A-T-E
for Desparate to be a single! That means lots of live performances. Love that side of David. It’s one of my favorite tracks!
Even though David is a little too not much of a group type of an artist, I still think he would have stood out even if there were group numbahs last season. I am, however, going to have to stray from the proverbial flock when it comes to single numero tres.. Although I like Desperate, and it has that angst y emo appeal that resonates with the young-ins…(Damn kids today!), I am going to have to go with Barriers. It’s been my fave since dia de uno and there’s that one part; you know the one; ‘been tryin’ but I just can’t breakthrough….etc’ that seriously pierces that organ that pumps blood and serves as a symbol for Valentines Day. (sorry off track). The track and drum (machine) beats are original and its still plenty angst y! ALOHA!
#120 Silverfox–I agree with you, I feel like I’m the only one in the Tarheel State who suffers from ODD but I know I’m not. There’s a woman named Marylee who lives a few miles away who is also nuts about him but she keeps to herself and I don’t know where she lives. She’ll be at the concert in Va. Beach. I know a few people who admire David’s talent (how could they not?) but do not feel about him as I do. Why is it that some people hear him and think, “That kid has a great voice!” and leave it at that while others become addicted to everything about him and spend hours every day listening to his music and surfing the Net to know every move he makes, listen to him sing and check out new pictures? It makes no sense to me. I guess I expect everyone who has heard David sing–on TV or in person–to immediately fall in love like I did and if they don’t it’s like “What’s the matter with them?”
This whole ODD thing reminds me of a favorite movie of mine, “Close Encounters of the Third Kind,” (1977) starring Richard Dreyfuss and Melinda Dillon. Aliens came to earth and–for whatever reason–communicated with specific individuals whose behavior changed once the aliens made contact with them. These people had no idea what they were feeling or why, they just knew that they were behaving in strange ways that were misunderstood by family members and friends. and could not understand why they felt a need to gather at Devil’s Tower in Wyoming. But they all ended up there because the aliens had led them there.
So, here are are, people who have been singled out by David Archuleta even though I’m sure he had no intention of doing so. All he does is sing in a gorgeous, once-in-a-lifetime voice and be adorable, charming and just an all-around great guy–and yet certain people respond to this and are drawn to him for reasons they cannot explain or understand. And where do us “chosen ones” go? To the Internet on websites such as Noting David, FOD, etc.. The way I see it, even though this may sound strange, there has to be a reason why we have been singled out to feel about him as we do. All I know is he soothes my troubled soul and listening to him makes me feel so much better. I absolutely love this fine young man and consider him one of the greatest singers of this generation.
Hi JesseQ – I am a big fan of “Barriers” too. Love, love, love it!
This thread should be entitled fire and ice
All I needed is one allied com padre, Kizzi, and now my ‘Barriers for the next single of the USofDA campaign’ will commence. Sorry, a little election season withdrawal.. ha. Either one would be fine, as long as it starts with a ‘B.’ Speaking of B’s Hi beebee!
“allied com padre” is me…aka partner in crime (sounds more fiendish and, therefore, mega fun)
So what is our first step in the USofDA campaign to make Barriers the next single? I think we could get a couple of Snarkies to campaign with us!
JessQ you just made me smile I guess there is still some “kid” left in me– Desperate has been my fav since the spoilers release way back…and I can tell you I haven’t been carded in a very long time. haha
oops JesseQ
Hey, I love “Barriers” too. I’m a big fan of either track.
My favorite, hands down, is still “Waiting for Yesterday.” I get chills over that one falsetto note. It gets me every time.
The Snarkuleta’s are a pretty good bet, (and I think I’m “in” with’em)… IDK what else? Signs with cocked full of glitter and a mass bumper sticker campaign? Or possible making some sort of human ‘Barrier’ blocking the release of any other song first. haha. I think the Wisconsin cabin fever is settling in because I’m spouting out a geyser full of crazy talk today! But getting those girls to jump on the barrier bandwagon IS a good start. Shhh, have to keep it on the DL..about DA..wow I am losin’ it. I do also know for a fact that Barriers is also the favorite song of a certain ND frequenter, who shares the same first name as the feline, female, lead singer of ‘The Pussycats.’ ??Anyone?? There’s the easy trivia question for today.
OK, Jesse..I like Barriers too..but you know what’s funny about that song..some fans think it’s a “message” song..and swear the lyrics are “too many locks, too many crimes, too many tears, too many lies”..but it’s not “crimes”..it’s “cries” and it’s about two lovers breaking up cuz there’s too much against them..that’s what I think anyway..but others think it’s about “barriers” in LIFE??
My choice though is still DESPERATE..but it won’t be either..it’ll pro-buh-blee be Touch My Hand or Running.
But what do I know??
so who’s first name is Nicole?
Rae and Hello Gorgeous, thank you. In case you haven’t noticed, I love this guy. He’s complex, yet has basic values. He’s a young boy at heart, but has the wisdom of the sages. He defers to others, yet is tough as nails when he has to be. He’s a “ballad” singer, who can rock anyone’s world on stage. He has the patience of Job and will never expose an idiot. He can’t listen to himself sing, yet he loves to sing, and is the best male singer of the past 50 years. Most of all, he’s a great guy, who leaves every person he’s with feeling better than when they came in. The best thing is, “we aint seen nuthin’ yet”
The coolest part about this debate is the fact that there are enough songs that appeal to everyone differently, on one album. A normal album is 2 good songs 1 OK/catchy but stupid song and 8 or 9 piles of natural fertilizer. If this album (and David) keep slowly but steadily gaining fanboys and girls, we could be having this debate about single number 8.Sure its a little too not likely, but nice little thought. (segway)The ‘little too not over’ line is almost as versatile as the ‘chuleta’ suffix.
Yay! More sunshine for the Sunshine Bringer Himself! He is so excited with the prospect of enjoying more warmth… well come on down Manila David! It is always warm here…. especially now – cool breeze with plenty of sunshine…. just sayin….
SF/HG/ANGELICA – I’ve weighed on the topic of the next single and yes my preference is Desperate as well
HG – was LMAO with David looking behind of him, left, right only to realize it was him the DJ was referring to. He is much too much, GAH.
Something to think about….
When I got my Walmart-version CD, there was a sticker plastered on it which allows the buyer to download free mp3s from their website. So of course I downloaded ALTNOY & YOU CAN (Got 2 stickers cos I got 2 CDs as gifts from friends from the US who are aware of my ODD – haha).
Anw, what was interesting was the list of most downloaded songs from his album — ALTNOY WAS NOT LISTED. The list shows:
1. Crush
2. You Can
3. TBWY
4. TMH
5. My Hands
6. Barriers
7. Running
8. Don’t let Go
???? What does this mean? ALTNOY is NOT a PREFERRED SONG in this slice of the market??? Despite the MTV?
Interesting, huh?
I really, really think if Desperate is the next single..it would catapult David to the level of some artists who’ve been at it for years! I think the pop, soft rock & adult contemporary radio stations would play it..It’s just sooo good!
Then we have SOT…He said it has special personal meaning for David..Sometimes when David gives us hints like that..I wonder who he is singing to, or is he singing about someone who “was there” for him?
Either one of these songs would be great as the third single!!
Good night everyone! For David..for all the happiness he gives us every day..
Dear Lord, Though we are unworthy to ask,
Please take Care Of David. Watch over him, Protect him from all harm. Cloak him with your love and give him the strength to endure all that is thrown in his path. Give David the courage and guidance to say no to those who ask for more than he can reasonably give. Surround David with loving and supportive people who love him UNCONDITIONALLY as we, his Archangels do. Separate David from those who have agendas other than for his well being. Give him rest when he’s weary. Give him stamina to sustain his hectic pace. Give him assurance when he feels doubt. Give him joy when he feels sad. Cloak him always in your protective arms. Keep David healthy & strong as he fulfills his Destiny which was written in his Book of Life before he was born.
Though we may be unworthy, we humbly pray.
Amen.
Sweet dreams! Be safe & secure in our love always! Take care. You will always be numero uno in our eyes! Thank you for all you do and for just being you!
CONTIGO SIEMPRE CON AMOR!
We love you MADLY, David Archuleta!!
SF- ‘Josie’ and the Pussycats. Cmon!
I never thought of Barriers as a message song because it does contain one, kinda rhyming for rhyming sake line that I’m not the biggest fan of. “If I don’t get into my car, I won’t go very far.” Definitely a little too not the best line.. (see)
More 95.1…raw footage
http://www.mykiss951.com/cc-common/mediaplayer/player.html?redir=yes&mps=&mid=http://a1802.v303156.c30315.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1802/30315/v0001/cchannel.download.akamai.com/30315/1697/richmedia/davidarchuleta_wbvd.wmv?CCOMRRMID=24918435&CPROG=RICHMEDIA&MARKET=MELBOURNE-FL&NG_FORMAT=chr&NG_ID=wbvd95fm&OR_NEWSFORMAT=&OWNER=1697&SERVER_NAME=www.mykiss951.com&SITE_ID=1697&STATION_ID=WBVD-FM&TRACK=david_archuleta_video
“I’m your future wife.” “In case you were wondering.”
“Thanks for the heads up!”
Bwahahahaha!
jessieQ- you are posting a little too not often enough…
Jesse…hahahahahha! I’m LMAO!!
I cannot BUH-LIEVE I didn’t GET it!! GEESH!
Josie…forgive me!!
I seriously need help!!
It was really nice having you back, JesseQ!!
It’s been fun, but I need to get some sleep.
G’nite all!
juliebug 180 – Great vid! I think this really is one of his best interviews. He is so relaxed. Love all the random singing, “I sound like a rabbit”, hugging the little girls, “hey guys, sorry it took so long”, and the “thanks for the heads up.” I am not sure charming is adequate enough to describe this guy, or am I just in a mood tonight!?
Sorry but I have to vent
TMZ just talked about how stunned they are that David is singing in parking lots at malls – they commented that they thought he was going to have a great career since he is talented – but instead – he is singing in parking lots to “very few people” – they showed photos and indeed there were very few onlookers. I got the impression that they were shocked that he is misusing his talent.
I too don’t understand why he is doing this and I am miffed with management
Haven’t gone to bed yet, but did have time to see Rena’s post.
Well, it was only a matter of time before the haters put their spin on it.
But are we surprised by such spin from TMZ? After all, here we are debating the wisdom of these gigs – and we love David to pieces!
And, according the the local news media there were between 400 and 500 people in that parking lot. On a school/work day. In the middle of the week. And it’s TMZ. They hate him and I wouldn’t give credence to anything they would have to say about David or anyone else for that matter.
You can be miffed at management if you want rena, there are plenty of thoughts about that in this very thread, but please don’t be miffed because of anything TMZ has to say about it.
I’ve been lurking here for some time now. I had posted previously but the last time I did was right after the AI7 summer concert tour ended, when I had withdrawal symptoms fearing I would not see or hear about David afterwards. But, oh my, how he has been filling up the fansites with news of his hectic schedule and various appearances! I’d forgotten my ND password so I decided to use a new pseudonym.
I appreciate all the discussions here about how David’s management should be handling what, where and how he should perform the songs that we’ve been hearing him sing so far. I am also quite apprehensive about his acoustic performances lately, and how he seems to
have these little kinks which to us are so endearing but technically treated as mistakes. His detractors may use them to prove that he isn’t ready for the big time yet. Even his vocal coach, Dean Kaelin, has pointed out to him instances for improvement, but what is important to David is how he was able to convey the message of the song, how people felt about it. In all that we laud The Voice as above all other singers, David isn’t perfect. He has admitted to hating his own voice, even if so many like me – like us – are mesmerized by it and keep wanting to hear him sing. It may be seen as an insecurity by others, but we his fans see it as one of the many manifestations of his well-known humble nature. David is still young, and he needs the practice to hone his craft even if we think he is ready for the prestigious venues. Just like all great artists, it takes years of performing to be really good at what you do, and David does need that time to find and perfect his performance skills and preferred style, no matter how good he is doing different styles as gleaned from his debut album. We are just too eager to see him reach that height which we all think he deserves NOW. As the liner in his song goes, “all good things come to those who wait.” And it seems to be a line which he strongly holds to as one of his life’s principles.
On another note, after watching David sing “I’m Yours” of Jason Mraz who he has consistently identified as one of the artists he looks up to (along with John Mayer), I
have a different take on it and see it in the light of him being a fan and not as a professional singer. I myself discovered I could sing at age twelve and have loved to
sing ever since, but not a whole lot after getting a job, getting married, having kids and being so busy with work. I actually have been out of the loop where pop music is concerned, but David revived my love for it, and it’s been pretty weird to my husband and my kids that I’m constantly on earplugs and on my laptop surfing everything about David. I have tried singing his songs, but there are those which have so much meaning and are heart-rending to me that I could not bring myself to finish singing them because I end up sniffing with tears. Even if my husband, daughter and close friends tell me I sing well, I can never claim to do justice to anyone’s song, all the more anything sung by David (well no one can anyway). I see David reacting in much the same way about an Mraz or Mayer or Bareilles song. He has so much respect for Mraz and probably the song “I’m Yours” has a special meaning to him, and this made him say no one can sing it like Mraz can. He said that singing it “is too emotional for me”, even if he nailed it and sang it amazingly. I would say without hesitation the same thing if anyone asked me to sing “You Can” or “To Be With You”. I will be a hopeless mess.
Hi guys,
I’m back for a minute – that’s all I can get in under the radar… love reading all the posts.
I’ve been looking at all the stuff on Snarky’s and
Can someone help?
I can’t find the vid at the pizza place. (It was said that the waitress was reading the menu?)
Does anyone have a link to that? Makes me wonder what else I missed!
Wow (almost) time for bed!
I read on another forum that David doesn’t have a publicist, so who knows who’s making decisions on these appearances and even the interviews he grants?
I dunno. TMZ is not only lame, but they’re also owned by the same people who run Fox and American Idol.
Don’t be surprised if, after AI’s rather lame feature of David on their new season, that this is how they generate gossip about the runner-up (basically using TMZ to call him a “loser”) while also failing to give him an invite back on the show.
Don’t even be shocked if they don’t invite him back. 19Evil is not above punishing him and his dad for choosing to go wtih Azoff – what else was that dig about other than to mock that his new management has got him doing gigs in “parking lots” and “shopping malls”?
At the same time, if David was signed to 19Evil, they’d so have him on their backburner, he wouldn’t even be interacting with any public anywhere.
Sigh. I have faith. I do trust in the Archulator. David’s too charmed and too filled with a power of a higher source that he has to triumph against those scumbags. (Forgive my language – I’m obviously not having my Archie moment – where is his Archulight to prevent me from swearing?)
But, the more I think about this nonsense the more I will engage in hand-wringing and fist-shaking, so I won’t. And I’ll sign off for real this time.
G’nite all!
Just one point of clarification: my disgust and frustration is not the same as Rena, who believes the focus of the TMZ article is “surprise” that David isn’t a “superstar.” My disgust is knowing that 19E/American Idol is all over that little reportage, and I’m very very angry that they’re still not done with the mudslinging. What exactly is it about David that offends them/threatens them so?
Again, g’nite.
I just read comment 186 and I thought I should clarify my 185 post.
I did NOT feel TMZ was being hateful at all. They were questioning his parking lot appearances BECAUSE he is talented. I did not pick up any hint of their customary mocking or chuckling.
Throughout the commentary on David they showed his Imagine Idol performance and the actual Palm Beach performance with very flattering photos. He looked great.
I actually had to vent – not because they aired those comments – but because I too don’t understand why his management arranges these type of sessions – TMZ reported what I have felt.
I don’t know – do other singers or idols perform at malls also?
What offends TMZ is anything or anyone who could possibly have a sense of morality, decency and on a broader scale, basically anyone who doesn’t flinch at their bull shee-ite. I guess they can’t help it, being the spawn of satan and all. Don’t worry too much HG, but continue wringing and shaking if it gets ya through!
Thanks SF good to be back in da-loop. One more thing about TMZ and mall parking lots…. Why are their minions always there? And by there I mean in every obscure locale in lower 48 and Puerto Rico! You can hardly pick up a stone for your fossil collection without finding a TMZ reporter/intern/janitor lurking in wait for an improptu Mall concert. I-yi-yi..
JesseQ 165 and Kizzi 166 I’m with you…Barriers for the next single! That song caught my attention from the first time I heard the snippet. I love the melody, the layers upon layers of David’s voice, the instrumentation….oh I can’t say enough good things about it! Barriers FTW!!! David’s ooooooohhhhhhs kill me! I think the Snarkie girls love it but they also love Waiting for Yesterday. And the song most voted for David to sing at his shows according to FOD is “Running”. So who knows how they gauge these things. I’m also a huge fan of “My Hands”. I get goosebumps just thinking of that last whoooaoaaaaahhhh. Any other “My Hands” fans out there?
lambliss 175, my friend…I just love your posts….all of them! You verbalize on paper (well, onscreen) exactly what we are all thinking.
Well what do we have here?
It’s some footage of David at the Jacksonville radio station, hanging out with fans, talking about AI8, Kara, the new judge, bikini girl, iCarly, the Pro Bowl on Sunday in Hawaii, whether or not he reads blogs, video games, AND THEN AT 5:12 DAVID DISCUSSES HIS KARAOKE EXPERIENCE AT THE RADIO STATION YESTERDAY, SINGING I’M YOURS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M6q7j-3xVk&feature=channel
He seems to have recovered remarkably well from the experience, even though he says he was so nervous and rejects the fan’s compliments of how nice he sounded.
By the way, the person who posted the above video also posted about 11 others taken the same day, mostly during the M&G. Notice the sheer joy David has in just talking to his fans. Here’s the youtube page so you can see all of them:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=stephlee8&view=videos
My favorite was this one, when a fan sings “My Girl” to him but she changes up the lyrics
You’re gonna love this!!!!! She gushes all over him and tells him that he has soul and that he rocks! He certainly does!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL7lS_Iy5aw&feature=channel
Enjoy!
Nite, all!
The thing is rena, that for me at least, its different when its for a radio station promo as opposed to a paid appearance and “that’s the only gig he can get”. It’s not like he’s doing a full concert to a few people in a parking lot. This was for a radio promo and he came and did an interview and sang a couple of songs to promote his album. That’s where TMZ’s spin comes in.
There are 3 videos at this link of the event…
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/tvtalk/2009/02/04/idol-runner-up-stirs-up-young-female-frenzy/
Thanks Bebe for the links. I loved the one with her singing to him. haha!
HG honey, get off the ledge! TMZ are scumbags, period. The other thing is that they know they get hits when they slam David, with or without AI’s bidding.
Mark my words they will invite David on the show. Believe me if they wanted to revise history, the wouldn’t be inviting him to the American Idol disney experience event. They know how popular David is, that is why he was signed in the dressing room finale night. No, they will not pimp him like Cook. You can’t best the victor, at least not with their compliance, but they will use him to goose their ratings with the younger demographic that they are desperately courting. They already know what even a hint of David can do. They may be vindictive, but it doesn’t fill their coffers the way that a ratings bonanza would. It’s all about the sponsors, not getting back as David for signing with someone else. They actually probably wanted that.
FOD has a purely anecdotal story of Y100′s Secret Performance contest–basically someone was showing up to sing but the contestants didn’t know who that would be….see “Fran’s Y100 Lucky Experience”…..excerpt below
….”Now I have to stress that these contest winners WERE NOT DAVID FANS. Some of them had never heard of David Archuleta and had even considered leaving when we told them that he was the guest. Everything changed, however, as soon as David walked through the door. There’s just something about David’s dorky awkward personality and his impeccable comedic timing that make people fall in love with him. As soon as he opened his mouth, all eyes were on him. When he laughed, everyone laughed. There was this one moment when one of the Y100 workers, for whatever reason, reached over to take his water bottle, and he followed her with his eyes as if to say, “NO! Not my water. Anything, but that!” Everyone just giggled in their comfy beanbags in response.
Finally, David was at the keyboard, ready to sing A Little Too Not Over You and in his comfort zone. By the end of the first verse, there was dead silence. When he got to the bridge, there was a mix of dropped jaws and fangirl shrieks. Then, unlike ALTNOY, nearly everyone in the audience seemed to know Crush (even those who had never heard of him before). They cheered and lipsynced as David nailed another perfect, heart stopping performance.
They opened up a Q&A session and I could easily tell by the kind of questions being asked that these people knew nothing about the man in front of them, but were sincerely curious about this bundle of dorky laughs and talent. I managed to ask him about whether or not we’d ever get to see him play guitar on tour. He told us that he didn’t feel confident with his skills yet, but would consider it for the future”
….be sure to go to FOD for the whole story
I know this is anecdotal and one person’s story but lends a broader perspective to the radio station tour strategy.
I’m another one who agrees with both sides of the argument re. how David is marketed and promoted. I’ve always questioned whether or not he had a publicist and a stylist. Also, I was concerned in David’s blog when he mentioned “asking management” if he could attend his school dance. I long for the day that he realizes that in a way, management works for him — not the other way around. Hence, he can fire them if they don’t possess the competence to position him where he wants to be as a performer.
Does David have a publicist? As I’ve mentioned before, I’m concerned that his management may have opted to rely on one of his fans sites as his publicist. When I read that rep(s) from a fans sites have been invited to a red carpet event in Disneyland, I worry. Someone is paying for this type of publicity. If it is David paying for it, I wonder if the money might be better spent hiring a trained publicist and a stylist who can recommend a trendy/casual outfit for him to wear to the event.
Note … I’m not knocking any of the fansites. I love them all. However, like everyone else, I just want whats best for David and I often question the competence of his management.
Ebonyangel, I don[‘t understand. How can a fansite act as a publicist? I mean that is certainly unorthodox to say the least.
It’s funny, I’ve had no problem with the way David’s been dressing. These appearances are just casual events, and he looks fine, imho. I don’t get it. I hated that outfit where he looked like a lumberjack where I know he was styled and everyone seemed to love it. I guess it’s when he looks like he was styled it a good thing, but when he looks like he dressed himself, it’s not.
Do not miss watching the Youtube posted on Snarkie of David’s KISS interview. I had only heard it, but now seeing the whole thing was just…. well… wonderful. He’s one on one in the studio, with his relatives sitting a few feet away, and he’s totally into singing whatever is put in front of him and trying to rap. The human jukebox indeed. Nobody is making him do anything and he just can’t help jumping in to sing. I think my favorite moment comes when he’s playing dj and he’s introducing Kanye’s Heartless. His anecdote about the Jingle NYC performance is hilarious. “kanye had this amazing show with pyrotechnics and I’m going… oh JOY, here comes this little white kid…” As far as I can see he loves these “delios” and we love David for letting us join him.
Just weighing in that my choice for single #3 would be Barriers. I like Desperate, too, because of his delivery but don’t love the song itself as much. I also feel that Barriers may appeal to a higher proportion of the fanbase.
Mommuzboys, love your story about Walmart, the Car Wash and the extra CD purchase! Thanks for sharing.
Joner #145, way to put a perspective on things. We’re all here worrying in writing while David’s diving into piles of beanbag chairs. (That picture now ranks as my favorite David pic. How did he DO that?)
Bebereader, thanks for bringing the video of the girl singing “My David” to David. That interaction was priceless!
Juliebug, thanks for that raw footage. So enjoyable to watch.
On TMZ — I can’t imagine that too many make the mistake of taking them seriously. They are out for sensation and scandal and they’ll create it where they can’t find it.
Finally, River, I’m off to Snarkies to watch more video. How does anyone do a job and keep up with David, anyone mind telling me?
Brooklyndawn, maybe I’m using the wrong terminology. Quite often, an “insider” from David’s camp leaks information to one or more fan sites. My guess is that it’s to get publicity for David. I just wonder if it would help David’s career more to hire a publicist w/the expertise to leverage the exposure he receives via those fan sites and other Internet sites (e.g., youtube). If, and only if, money is coming out of David’s pocket to send reps from a fan site to cover an event (i.e., Disney Idol thing), I don’t believe it’s a wise decision to spend money earmarked for promotion/publicity in this manner. Fans will be there anyway to take photos of David.
As for the clothing, David always looks nice and I see nothing wrong with casual outfits. However, sometimes when I read that he looks “tired”, I believe it has more to do with some of his outfits and the colors that he chooses to wear. (e.g., pants too long at Latino Ball, over sized hoody, worn brown t-shirt under the black Ford Day jacket). Frankly, sometimes I wonder if he is wearing his father’s shirts. I believe it would be a good investment for him to hire a stylist to put together casual outfits for his promotions/tours. In a couple of days, a good stylist could select 5-6 casual outfits for him that really help enhance the image he seeks to project.
Brooklyndawn, um, no, honey, I’m not on a ledge.
As for not taking TMZ seriously, last time I checked, those fools “broke” the news story about Jeff being banned from stage, and EVERYBODY – from CNN to NBC’s The Today Show – reported it as if it were fact, to the point where Jeff still has to defend himself from “stage dad” theories.
So, it’s not like people take TMZ seriously or anything…
But, I was just venting. Only because I know how gossip and rumors are built and designed to distort facts.
But I’ll keep my venting to myself from now…lest I lend to any rumors circling on ND that I’m suicidal or something…
Until next time!
Well Kait, it helps to have a job where I have a private office and a computer that’s just logged in here and other sites most of the time. Thank god for drop down screens when other walk in. I keep CD’s or radio on which helps mask the vids I might be watching. Fortunately for me I have a job I can multi task at the same time and years of experience. I’m not sure what I’d choose if it came down to real job vs David job.
HG, vent all you like. I certainly didn’t think you were suicidal, maybe a little homicidal, lol?
The press are lemmings, TMZ is crap, and I would worry about it.
Ebonyangel, I do understand what you are saying. I don’t know if David has a publicist. I am sure that Jeff is using both Snarkies and FOD to leak info he wants leaked. I don’t worry about that so much, as it helps the core fans to feel involved, and as least like other fangroups you don’t have to pay to get special perks. At least not yet.
David does need a publicist and a stylist though, because once he takes it to the next level, it will be mandatory.
Thanks for posting #199 Kizzi. That does offer a perspective that helps to prove the value of the radio station visit strategy, but also suggests that the overall strategy (the teen girl market, essentially) is misguided — or at least too narrow.
I need to address the persistent assumption that the reason there is objection among some of the fan base to having David accommodate any and all manner of stunts (including singing) in these events has something to do with David’s comfort level or his willingness to do these things. It has nothing to do with that.
It has to do with what is appropriate from a marketing standpoint to make sure that David’s talents and gifts as an artist are not dissipated or squandered in risky, unnecessary, or unseemly ways. The reason I referenced a publicist perspective on these things is that David should not be required or responsible for making these evaluations — that’s not his job, nor an area of the business in which he is an expert. His personal inclinations in this regard are immaterial. He cannot be expected (especially at this point in his career) to know what’s proper or acceptable from the standpoint of both building and protecting his interests in the marketplace.
Neither can Jive be counted on for this. They are interested in maximizing revenue potential NOW. They have no investment in, and consequently no concern for, David’s long-term interests. If they jeopardize his reputation with the press or with markets that may be important for him in the future by making him the Parking Lot and Pizza Place Prodigy, that is of no concern to them. They are not in business to develop careers, but to cash in on them. Unfortunately, there doesn’t seem to be anyone else around David at this point who either seems to know any better, or who is willing or able to do anything about it.
#199 Kizzi
I love hearing about “non-fans” being transformed. I would really love to hear more about that from those that attended his corporate event last weekend.
I read only one thing about that. They said that they didn’t know who would be performing until that day.
I can’t imagine that there isn’t some footage, somewhere.
oh, i am definitely in on any barriers campaign.
I read on a site that David Cook has a publicist. I thought that a publicist went with the territory. Is Jeff trying to also be the publicist? I do think that Jeff is trying to be a support to David by traveling with him, and as I said before, I don’t think that David is ready to make business or publicity decisions on his own.
210 Rascal, could you tell us a bit more about how that works? Does an artist’s manager/management team hire the publicist? stylist? promoter?, etc. Or, does the artist hire those individuals directly him/herself? Or, does the record label assign staff to handle those responsibilities?
Thx in advance.
Freofan, wouldn’t Cook have the same publicist all the contestants had on Idol — someone from that conglomerate?
I’m not sure David would have that perk as a part of his contract with Jive. I thought I’d heard scuttlebutt recently that David did have a publicist now, but not sure who that is or how that’s working.
HelloGorgeous, your point taken about TMZ. Don’t ask me why reputable news sources would now list TMZ as a valid source. Makes me feel sort of icky to think about that.
Off to listen/look at David videos, which almost always provide immediate relief to such woes.
My experience with publicists (from a freelancer’s point of view, usually have to go through them to set up interviews) is that they go for quantity not quality much of the time. Get that name/face out there for maximum hits, maximum exposure.
David most certainly has a publicist assigned to him but perhaps not a senior person looking at long-term image or strategies or “context” but exposure, exposure, exposure.
And just to play Devil’s advocate, Rascal, re your comment: “suggests that the overall strategy (the teen girl market, essentially) is misguided — or at least too narrow.” Three questions:
1) Were The Beatles taken any less seriously by being marketed to teens?
2) Money still talks, doesn’t it? If David sells records doesn’t that buy him more artistic freedom down the line?
3) Have you considered that maybe we’re moving beyond the era when marketers and spin docs control our every buying/viewing/listening/voting decision? Just askin’
Rascal, I am guilty of basing part, but not all, of my objections to these imprompto radio performances on David’s comfort level. But hearing that he was fine with it or jumping on bean bags the next day did not change my views. His feelings, as you point out, though precious to us all, have nothing to do with it. These are uncharted waters for him. It worries me that he may be left to sink or swim by those who are supposed to be guiding him to a farther, more wondrous shore.
TOfan — #216
1. It is a very, very different world today than it was when the Beatles broke. In those days, there wasn’t nearly the degree of fragmentation in media that there is today, which made it virtually impossible to market exclusively to one distinct segment or demographic and not to any others — not only did teens watch the Ed Sullivan Show, for example, everyone did.
2. Revenue potential maintains commercial opportunity but it does little to protect or repair a reputation.
3. Yes and no. The Internet has done a lot for consumer empowerment. Marketers are definitely more challenged in their ability to control messages today, particularly online, because it takes no more in the way of resources or skill for an individual to publish a message than it does for a corporate brand to publish one. And very often the content most likely to be socialized is that which in fact comes from individuals and not brands. But the public does take its cues about products from the companies that bring them to market: the way they are introduced, the nature and character of the product, how it looks — in other words, the branding, packaging, and merchandising. The company controls all of these aspects, and they all communicate something. The market will have its own say regarding these inherent, symbolic messages, but the message of the brand itself is powerful. Seen from this angle, what is happening with David’s marketing is even more troubling. Instead of acknowledging and engaging the obviously wide-ranging market segmentation evidenced by the user-generated content about David online, his marketing is very nearly fighting against it, electing not to broaden his appeal but to “double down,” as they say in Washington, and fixate ever more narrowly on what they envision as their revenue source. It’s as though they are covering their ears and singing “la la la la la la” just as David did when he couldn’t bear to listen to his own voice.
February 6th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Hey SV! I don’t post much but I needed to talk. Those who think the FL dealios were a waste or less than David should do need to get a grip. Media down south is eating him up! Bunches of video can’t hurt! Rascal, I understand your position on keeping the Talent special and true, but can not an 18 year old kid have some fun with the people who,probably, have much more influence over his career than those who sit and observe from a distance? I don’t mean to say we, as a group, judge ……..but sometimes we need to go outside and just shake it off.
LOVE DAVID!!!
prd9601 – #219 – I don’t know why everyone insists on being so categorical about this. Has no one ever heard the word “nuance”? No one is suggesting that David shouldn’t visit radio stations or do fun events to get press. Just because there are certain aspects of these events that we feel should be managed more carefully doesn’t mean they shouldn’t happen in the first place. Sheesh. And you tell ME to shake it off!
(and P.S. — interesting comments, considering the context of your avatar photo….)
hehe, I love you rascal! So fun to banter. Yes, you have been known to have friends who can get a good shot!
I will never change my avi.
because you are so wise………?
Oh, and “nuance”? The last thing a breaking artist needs is “nuance”. In you face all the time, and then in your FACE!
Thanks, Rascal. You make very powerful points, as usual.
But I wonder if “acknowledging and engaging the obviously wide-ranging market segmentation evidenced by the user-generated content about David online” could also backfire — trying to be all things to all people can also water down identity/brand, can’t it?
It was (ahem) before my time of course, and but although everyone might have watched the Fab Four on Ed Sullivan, my guess is that only the teens/20s “got” and bought the music in the beginning and their talent and charisma did the rest over time. Guess that’s what I’m hoping for David.
Rascal,
A question I have asked before..and really I am not beating a dead horse, here. In your opinion which current singer (around David’s age and experience) is being marketed correctly, has a publicist that is doing all the right things?
I ask because I’m very ignorant when it comes to the music scene. If we want something “better” for David, what is it that we are really wanting and how would David and his peeps go about achieving these goals.
I can identify with the words but I need to know that the wants and hopes are feasible and work in the real world, that there are marketing devices that can replace what is currently being focused on. Thanks, its appreciated.
prd9601 — Nuance as regards the viewpoint on David’s marketing, not the marketing itself. Please read for comprehension. Use context clues if needed. And you are apparently incurious as to why I even mentioned your avi in the first place. Some people here will know.
Tess — In order to answer your questions, it would take some research that I do not have the time for, and a rather comprehensive summary of marketing strategies and tactics that I ordinarily get paid for. I acknowledge that it is always much easier to criticize and identify what is being done wrong than it is to provide solutions on how to do it right, but that’s the nature of criticism.
A word on the Beatles from someone who was a teenager at that time. This Monday (Feb.9) will mark the 45th anniversary of the Beatles appearance on Ed Sullivan. It was an event like no other in TV history. The Beatles already had a string of #1 hits in the US since they first hit our shores in late Dec.’63. The “older” generation hated them, especially their “long hair”. The kids loved them and bought their records like there was no tomorrow. They were a pop group, with no political or social agenda, period. What they did have was one great song after another, and they brought with them the “Brirish Invasion” of numerous groups and solo artists who also had great songs. Say goodbye to Neil Sedaka for 10 years, Bobby Rydell forever, etc., etc.
The Beatles were not just a pop group, however, As their enormous popularity grew, they used their new found leverage to record songs that reflected their view of the world, and they became the “Voice of the ’60s.” End of brief history lesson.
Fast forward to 2009. David Archuleta is not just a pop singer either, but he must first get the attention of the mass population so that when he starts to incorporate “his” message into his songs, the public knows who he is and accepts him no matter who he is.
Right now, David is in the “She Loves You” stage of his career. As he expands his fan base, and his albums (oops CDs) continue to sell, we will start hearing more songs like “Somebody Out There” and the public will make the transition with him. It’ll be a subtle transition, just as it was with the Beatles. You don’t want to scare the public away with any sharp movements. In the meantime, enjoy him on Icarly.
Someone did a great job of putting music to David’s “I’m Yours” video. I think everyone hear will love it. His laugh at 1.32 min. is so infectious I can’t stop replaying it. His VOICE is amazing. Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxCsqL7pD-k
PRD9601 – Since Rascal won’t say it, your avatar photo is of David, talking to Rascal.
He looks a bit mesmerized by Rascal ,no?
Good afternoon! Don’t mean to be a spoil-sport..but I was just wondering why TPTB in David’s camp have him singing the NA in Hawaii, instead of being a presenter and better yet, performing in the Neil Diamond tribute at the Grammys this Sunday? I know Hawaii is nice, & David’s never been there and I love the way David sings the NA..But IMO, AZOFF should have negotiated with the Grammys to have David, who did a great job on AI with Sweet Caroline & America for the Neil Diamond week, to be part of the tribute. Instead they have the Jonas Bros?? Excuse me? The Grammys is the kind of event David should be a part of…not a bunch of radio stations who may or may not play his music after it’s all said & done..
So anyway, we’ll all watch the beginning of the Pro-Bowl just to see David..then tune in to something else OR the Grammys, who also dropped the ball by not inviting David to be a part of it. Don’t anybody go telling me David isn’t “big” enough to be invited either..So the Jonas Bros have sold more records so far than David..will they be selling records in 5-10 years or 30-40 years like Diamond, or will David? Will they even be around?? And IMO..David has more potential than Diamond had when he first started out.
Sorry, David..I think you should be at the Grammys….
I guess I’m a little pi$$ed off at AZOFF again for a missed opportunity…and even if no one agrees..it’s just my opinion.
SF I agree. There is the added bonus of the fact that Neil Diamond already likes David and thinks he’s a prodigy.
TeamArchie has put up the video for the Y100
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WNKIUQTDTo
not the complete footage — part of Q&A and Crush.. no ALTNOY yet. Am also having trouble capturing the full media file
or you can try this link put up by the lovely Dana
http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/30259/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/30259/1794/richmedia/AMERICAN_IDOL_FINAL_1.mov
silverfox 231, I agree 100%.
I didn’t mention it in my earlier posts because I didn’t want to sound so negative re. how David is/isn’t being managed. Given that Neil Diamond referred to David as a prodigy, I believe Neil would be honored. Also, these types of legend tributes are events that would expose and promote him more to adult audiences. I could easily hear him singing a duet of You Don’t Send Me Flowers w/another artist (e.g., Mariah — isn’t she going to be there too?)
hey rascal, I do understand your position about David’s marketing. I don’t agree with the radio spots but it does get his name out there. I am like a cat. Very curious. I use my avi because not only do I think the photo is great, but the blog you posted at the time touched me in a very meaningful way. I thank you for that and for this blog.
Interesting points of view rascal..
I am going to write quite simply. In order to make a positive difference, how would you like to see David’s career marketed? What would you like to see being done that isn’t and certainly what aspects of his career path would you like to see vanquished? I would like to know by the use of power point so as to make it more easily followed or I could say…more simply put…
I was concerned at the finish of the AI tour because even though his talents are remarkable, his career plans could be less then favourable.. Are our concerns valid? I would say yes to that.
Often there are discussions in regards to his career and the people in charge of it and it is unfortunate but it is a concern of many NDers..I.
Hey everyone! Just checking back in while I have some down time at work (one of those long Fridays).
So, to catch up. Yes, Brooklyndawn, I must admit I do get a bit homicidal when I think of TMZ, AI, and 19E all in bed together. It also gives me a rash! So, I’ll stop dwelling on that evil…
Tess, I too have to think about current teen singers who are “marketed correctly,” but I can’t help but go back in recent history and point to Alicia Keys, who pursued her music career when she was 16 and then put out her smash hit debut album when she was 19. There’s a reason why I go to Alicia as a frame of reference for David and how his music career can be modeled because, like Alicia Keys, David is a serious music artist and prodigy, and like Alicia Keys, he can be marketed as this young new talent – more important, a young new talent that’s still attractive to the high school set that represents David’s “peers.”
And let’s be honest here. Jive/Azoff are not even marketing David toward his 17-18 year-old-peers, who are old enough to appreciate a hot looking yet sweet and personable guy like David who can sing like nobody’s business. And who are also old enough to be turned off by David posing with teddy bears.
They’re marketing him towards 10 and 12 year olds. Don’t tell me that his management/publicist/whoever can’t market him as someone who’s in transition from innocent teenager to young adult because that is who David is at 18.
Not only that, but, if they’re so caught up in marketing David for tweens, why the heck did they not even get him a gig at the Kids Inauguration Ball, hosted by the Obama daughters, when it really mattered? And if they thought he wasn’t appropriate for that event, what about the Youth Inauguration Ball?
And I am absolutely in agreement with SF here: why is David not going to be at the Grammys? He made an appearance at the AMAs but not this show when this is the music event that matters?
This is what I’m going to say (call it a “vent” or whatever but I’m just going to put it out there). Something is not right with his management. Eversince the new year, and perhaps it’s related to the start of the AI season, but his management has left David dangling and working overtime appearing at all kinds of insignificant shindigs that don’t necessarily translate into major bucks and new fans. “Paying his dues” or whatever, pizza parlors and parking lot performances are a waste of his time. He could be in high school finishing up his senior year as far as I’m concerned. How is this adding up to his image or his future?
The only reason TMZ could make a punchline out of his recent performance is because you can’t get more EXPOSURE than what a highly rated TV show like American Idol brings to you. You don’t go backwards after Idol, you move forward.
You do what was done for David last season – you get a premiere of your debut single on Z100, you get to perform that single on Jay Leno, you get to make appearances on Ellen. You get to ride a float at the Macy’s Day Parade.
I was feeling comforted by Azoff/Jive because of what they enabled him to do in the wake of promoting Crush and that’s how David got a platinum single and a gold album.
This stuff that’s going on now is a reversal of fortune. And I’m bothered that David is pushed in these directions – even pushing a solo tour so soon when that’s something that could’ve waited in the summer or even spring time (I don’t even have any real time to try and make one of the concerts) – he could even wait to open for a major player in the business.
I get the sense that he’s being “mismanaged,” and those of us pressing the alarm bells are doing so because mismanagement can kill many a talented and promising genius. Mismanagement has ruined promising careers.
I’m a suspicious person so I sense 19Evil’s hand of influence in this somehow. Little by little, slowly but surely, your reputation can be discredited in the cruel world of entertainment.
David deserves better. And a professional who has the best interests of David’s career can do wonders to help him negotiate between the crap he doesn’t have to do and those activities that are well worth his time and generous effort.
Bliss..re: The Beatles had scores of hits..one after another with songs that had no substance, no emotional or soulful connection, but the girls didn’t care. They loved them cuz they were different and the parents feared them..I know cuz I was one of those teens! Elvis was “away”..The Beatles took his place for a time..
Then the Beatles became “enlightened” and voila’…their music and lyrics transcended everything they had done before..They gained many more fans, male & female. They became musical geniuses, still are considered by many as the ones to emulate..I wonder if they would have become the writing and musical gurus had they not become “enlightened”?
David, on the other hand needs no such “enlightenment”..he seems to be on a perpetual “high” and whatever it it he’s got..he’s “pushed” it on me ..I’m so addicted to him that HE should be against the law…Sometimes I want to wean myself and I try..but the withdrawals are just too much for me..I can’t do it!!
I should be working..instead I’m wringing my hands cuz he’s not gonna be at the Grammys where I think he SHOULD be on Sunday..That’s the kind of exposure David should have!! Dang it!!
SF – I am also disappointed that David won’t be participating in the Grammy’s. I was hoping he would be a presenter, at least.
Don’t worry. David will figure prominently in next year’s Grammy’s.
JR, we can only hope.
Tess, some other examples of music artists who debuted in the music world as teens who appealed both to the youth audience and adults:
- Chris Brown
- Usher
- Brandy (although I haven’t seen much of her lately)
- Beyonce aka Destiny’s Child
- Avril Lavigne (I think, I’d have to check)
Just some examples that come to mind.
HG#237,
Here here. Your whole post was right on and I wish with all my heart it wasn’t.
#212 AMMMMYYYYYY o’snarky: Yes, yes, yes….we have to conclave with JesseQ, HG and other Barriers supporters to plot our USofDA for Barriers campaign.
I know I was hyped about David going to Hawaii..but just so you all know..I have no idea what’s going on in the world outside of my little David Universe…I had no idea the Grammys were airing this Sunday..the same day as the Pro Bowl..I just happened to hear about it on the radio this AM and about the Jonas Bros doing the tribute to Neil Diamond and I had a spaz attack!
So…What’s next on the “agenda” for David? hmmmm?
Let’s see..he’s got iCarly, Crush Night (can hardly wait..”sarcasm”), Pro Bowl..woo-hoo!, Mardi Gras Float..save me some beads! Then..Oh Yeah!! another mall appearance!! Great Job AZOFF..David should give ya’ll a raise!!
Then finally THE TOUR!! Was it a wise choice for David to have a solo tour now, or would it have been wiser for him to open for a more, if not better, ha! artist?
HG..you are soooo right about the marketing to the LITTLE girls…who the heck do they think surfs the net for anything & everything David 24/7…little girls?? Come on…AZOFF wake up!
Look, I know there are many who think it’s creepy that David has so many middle aged & older fans, and I understand to a certain extent, but it is what it is.
Is there….
“Somebody Out There”….in David’s camp..Jeff? anybody who’s not blind, who has vision..who wants what we want for David?
I need a drink! …Anyone have some green tea? I have to stay healthy..need to compete with the little 10-12 yo’s for prime space when I go to David’s concerts!
A shot of tequila will do!
#206 HG: The TMZ story was picked up by AP which needs 2 credible sources to actually publish a story (hmmmm…..wonder who were the sources *rolls eyes*) which happened the Friday/Saturday after Rock’n'Roll where David nailed SBM and LMT and LMT was BRILLIANT. After AP published the story that is when NBC, CNN and all credible news outlets picked up the story. So…although I don’t tend to get involved in this dialogue, I think the facts speak for themselves. It happened, its done, and let’s make some good from the bad.
#210 rascal: I have alternating opinions (heavy emphasis on opinion) on the radio station tour in Florida. It feels amateurish to this entertainment marketing/current pop music novice yet I see a strategy of chipping away one radio station, one fan at a time and paying dues–don’t know what is the definitive strategy though–I’ll bow to your expertise. Wish I was in charge!!!!
OK – tomorrow is iCarly at 8pm – I have never watched but am with GK (grandkids) this weekend so it will be a family affair and I am surrounded by camouflage — 4 granddaughters.
Sunday, Pro Bowl in Oahu!!!! SBB acapella
happy and bluebarsa – Happy Birthday – Aquarians are absolutely my all time favorite people; I mean, honestly how can one not love friendly, humanitarian, honest, loyal, original, inventive, Independent and intellectual people – I would say Aquarians approach perfection, wouldn’t you?!!! ahahahaha
…cough…cough…cough
Kizzi…you are right about Aquarians..you all are sweet! I have 2 sons who are Aquarians..we get along great
and I’m an…
Aries are headstrong, fight for what we believe in, think we know it all, ( and most do ). Don’t like to be wrong, are “somewhat controlling”, love deeply, are fiercely loyal.
And are GREAT kissers! Course..I’ve been out of practice for what seems like 50 years!
See Ya!
I hate the fact that we have to worry about the effectiveness of David’s management team. Many of us are hyper-sensitive to how David is being promoted and perceived in the media, and it may be something that could be clouding our judgment. That being said, I feel that any momentum generated from David’s terrific debut in 2007 has been lost. Singing the same two songs in parking lots and restaurants does seem incredibly amateurish. This type of promotion seems so beneath a talent like David. I hope there are bigger and better plans for David. He surely deserves more.
SF – I am married to an Aries and all of what you described is right on – head strong know-it-all – I have 35 years of life with Mr. Kizzi as proof positive – haha. And, well, as far as kissing….well…ahem…well….blush…blush…I have been married since the dawn of time to the same Aries fellow!
#228 Bliss and #237 HG–I’m on the same wavelength, I think maybe a lot of us are. I was too young for the Beatles (I was in kindergarten when they first appeared on Ed Sullivan) and I was never into their music, I had no older siblings, didn’t hang around older kids and didn’t really start listening to music until 1970. But I do appreicate the Beatle’s talent and you’re right, they started out as a pop group–not quite bubblegum but almost–and 95% of their fans were between the ages of 12 and 18 (mostly girls but a lot of guys, too). But as the Fab Four got older, their music and their looks matured and they gained a wider audience. What a difference from 1964 to 1970. No question that they are one of the greatest groups of all time.
That’s what I think is going to happen to David–as he matures, his talent will mature with him. He’ll be writing his own music and reaching out to the world with his voice. When that happens, he will be a superstar and have the world at his feet. He will be able to pick and choose what he wants to do and how he wants to do it. I honestly don’t see any other future for him. David is not going to fade away–if he does, it will only be for a short time before he comes roaring back. A voice like his can be surpressed for only so long.
What I feel sets him apart from other “teen performers”–past and present–is that many of his fans (I’d like to say a majority but I’m not too sure about that) are over 30 years of age and are hooked for life on this kid. I know I am. I cannot think of any musical artist within the last 50 years whose fans encompassed such a wide “age-range” and had such devoted fans (“obsessed” might be a better word). All this cannot be by chance; there has to be a reason for it.
HG, I don’t want to believe that “something’s not right with his management” but I just get the nagging feeling there might be and I get so frustrated when I hear/read about David being subjected to one ridiculous publicity event after another. Doesn’t Azoff realize or understand what kind of talent they have in their hands? Or if they do know, they don’t seem to care. I was so surprised to find out that David was not at the Youth Inaugural Ball on 20 January. The Jonas Brothers and Miley Cyrus were there–but not David? He’s better than both of them! American Idol has not invited him back as yet, David even said so. Why not? It’s like they don’t want anything to do with him, like they’re’ trying to keep him down. I know they don’t want to admit it but AI owes a lot to David–the ratings would have been even lower if he hadn’t been on the show because a lot of people were watching just because of him. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM, PEOPLE? WHAT ARE YOU GUYS THINKING? ONE OF THE BEST SINGERS IN THE WORLD IS OUT THERE AND NO ONE IS PAYING ATTENTION TO HIM (or at least not as much attention as he deserves). He should be selling out stadiums and having single after single go platinum (well, considering the way things are nowadays, “gold certification” is good enough). His debut single went to #2 and is now platinum, his debut CD went to #2 and is now gold–all more in a few months. HIS CONCERTS ARE SELLING OUT. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU? WHAT MORE DOES HE HAVE TO DO? DOES THE REST OF THE WORLD NEED TO BE HIT OVER THE HEAD?
And, just to vent a little further, there’s a lot of discussion about his 3rd single and many of you out there would like it to be “Barriers.” For crying out loud, his seond single “ALTNOY” is getting hardly ANY AIRPLAY OR PUBLICITY. WHY IS THE GREATEST SINGER ON THE PLANET CONTINUALLY GETTING OVERLOOKED, IGNORED, OR JUST NOT TAKEN SERIOUSLY? Could it possible be because he’s handsome, religious, respectful, humble, polite, barely 18 and straight as an arrow? That could have something to do with it. HE DESERVES SO MUCH BETTER. WHY IS HE NOT GETTING IT? WAKE UP, WORLD! DON’T YOU SEE (AND HEAR) WHAT YOU’RE MISSING?
Maybe the media in general–and the music industry in particular–don’t know what to make of him and are completely clueless because they have never encountered a young man like David James Archuleta before and this is the way they respond. I like to think that David’s being a good sport about all this but I also wonder if he’s thinking, “Why am I doing this stupid stuff? Is it going to be like this forever? Why aren’t other singers treated this way?” In the end, sadly, it’s all about the $$$$$ and how much one person can generate. Management doesn’t care about quality anymore; all they care about is the almighty dollar and don’t care how it’s made, as long as it’s made. I see the same thing in the movie industry as well as in music.
Sorry to be so loud-mouthed, I’m crabby, had a long, hard day at work (5 a.m. to 4 p.m.), have to be back at 6 a.m. tomorrow. I’m too old for this schedule (plus I go to night school 2 nights a week). I just want the world to see, feel about and love David the way we all do and patience has never been one of my virtues.
I am so tired, I’m just going to eat a quick bite of dinner, take 2 Tylenol PM and crash.
Thanks for listening. Love to you all.
Kizzi #246 Thank you for the nice greeting and the kind words. And, a very Happy Birthday to you, too… today!
Hey y’all… a vulture piece about NEXT year’s Grammy’s … and of course some love for David — at the bottom.
I post this becaue it makes a good point about timing — the logical time for David to show up for the Grammys ” … most of the records competing for top awards are ones we stopped listening to over a year ago. And the ones we’ve been listening to for the past four months can’t win anything until next February”
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2009/02/vulture_predicts_the_winners_o.html
The last few posts were starting to freak me out a little and I really hate you guys for forcing me to the dark side … Googling David COOK.
Turns out, he’s not going to the Grammy’s either, has done only one tiny radio interview recently and has no press references at all in February that I could find on his (gasp) fan site. (His Jimmy Kimmel appearance is a rerun.) And Cook WON.
Our David’s management ain’t perfect but they must be doing something right.
Phew, I’m back to feeling confident that David will prevail. That’s why I brought up The Beatles in my question to Rascal. Talent, artistry, integrity and pure star power have to count for something, don’t they?
Man I couldn’t check a computer all day, and I was in a zone, thinking about this stuff all day, as well as more campaign ideas…ha(thanks for keeping the fires a burning Kizzi). Rascal- Nuance is a perfectly credible word…circa 1955. Kidding.. My humor is just one of my more adorable personality nuances. Tess- Four artists (around David’s age) come to mind as to having some pretty stellar management teams. Miley, Jonas, Taylor Swift, and Katy Perry. The first two kinda don’t count though because they are managed by the House o’the Mouse, but Taylor and Katy (both talented) have been promoted to the gills and it’s paid off big time!
Beebee-Love that Grammy article! Never too early too start making a play for that 2010 Grammy nod.
I’ve been traveling all week, but at night I checked in to read ND.
lulu #250 I was driving all day today and played David on my iPod most of the time, but I checked in with XM20/20 for less than half an hour when ALTNOY played between Chris Brown and Beyonce. I should have listened more, but I had to turn it off when Kevin Rudolph’s song came on….it’s almost completely one single note – did you ever notice that? It give me a headache.
Now I’m going to go check on some of these other pop artists and see if any of them are doing radio visits and guest appearances.
Reported on FOD today….
My Very Reliable Source (I love you VRS) was cornered by me yesterday (not really…I’m not that horrible) and was kind enough to answer some questions that have been popping up here and there on various fansites.
Will there be a summer tour?
Don’t know for sure, we are trying to put something together as most of the name acts are not touring right now but will likely during the summer or fall. We are trying to put something together where he could tour with a larger act, but again, no specifics at this point.
Any comment on “Save the Day,” the bonus track on the Japanese release?
It is a song that was produced in Utah, so I am happy for my friend John Hancock (yes that is really his name) and he is the producer, so we are happy for him to have a chance to be on the album. He also helped with Falling, but co-produced with Kurt Bestor on that one. This one ["Save the Day"] was all John.
Is David actually going to jump on a jet and fly from Hawaii to LA in time for the Grammys?
No, not going to the Grammys this year. We’ll have more chances I believe for the Grammys.
Please everyone stop complaining about David going solo right now. Do we really want him sitting around doing nothing until summer/fall, when he can open for a bigger act? Or…Do we want him to refine his audience interaction skills and be concert ready for the bigger tour. David will have 20 dates to improve and that is a good thing.
PLEASE everyone….stop the hand wringing, the second guessing, and the Jeff bashing. Noone here really knows what discussions go on in their camp. Remember, they are all newbies, there will be growing pains. We seriously can’t expect them to run like a finely tuned machine just yet.
Can’t WE all just enjoy what access we have to David before that door eventually closes on us? PLEASE enjoy the ride or it’ll just give you an ulcer.
No one’s complaining that David’s going solo! What does that even mean?
#253Tofan: Yes, “….David will prevail.” Agree 100%. The ups and downs of the day-to-day life of an Archuleta fan diet reminds me of my ER days and the adrenalin junkie life style….I have to remember that it isn’t the single event, it is the journey. Albert Schweitzer, physician, theologian, humanitarian and leader extrordinare, said:
“Success is not the key to happiness. Happiness is the key to success. If you love what you are doing, you will be successful.”
Sound like anyone we know??
Yo Pouncer….we all have varying perspectives here…there is no everyone wringing hands, moaning, groaning, lamenting…just lots of loving fans wanting what is best.
Kizzi, bravo, well said.
Well, looks like Jive’s strategy for Lesley Roy is the same as David’s. Here she is singing on a radio spot with Star94 in Atlanta.
http://star94.com/darik/index.aspx
Kizzi..I plead guilty to wringing of hands about the Grammys, cuz what a coup that would have been for David to have performed in the tribute to Neil Diamond!..As for David’s Tour..if I could, I would buy a Winnebago..and FOLLOW David from venue to venue!
(Like some fans did for the AI tour!!).
Do we really want him sitting around doing nothing until summer/fall, when he can open for a bigger act?
He does have high school to finish, so it’s not like he’s got absolutely nothing to do. But, I’m the teacher in the room, so you’ll just have to forgive me my nitpicking.
And, are we debating whether or not other artists follow the same path by performing at these little shindigs, or if David Cook is not making a Grammy appearance? (Sorry, TOfan, that you felt the need to travel to the dark side – did this discussion really drive you to the edge?)
Solo tour or not (and David has already proven that he could sell out venues in a matter of minutes, so what does that tell you about his wide-reaching fanbase? Which is the very point Rascal made in his #210 post in which those marketing him are not catering to those wide-reaching demographics), no one is asking him to back away from this. Whether we like the timing or not, it’s a done deal, and many Archies will be very happy (as will David).
Look. I don’t care about whether or not the marketing strategy that’s being used for David is being used for current artists because, I’ll tell you now: if David weren’t an extraordinary artist in my eyes, and if I haven’t fallen madly in love with him and his music, I would have been done with him already.
Once Jive/Azoff or whoever made it clear to me that my demographic doesn’t matter in the course of this cultivation of David’s musical and pop persona, I would have moved on. But I’m still here. It’s almost a year, and Rascal’s blog is still here.
If David were any other regular pop teen idol, this blog would have been shut down, and I would have moved on. But, we’re still here DESPITE being ignored and DESPITE this complete disregard for that part of the fanbase who cares and sees David first and foremost as a serious artist and not as some cuddly little toy. That is testament is to the strength of David’s talent and charm, that is the heart connection we already felt for him LONG before he signed with Jive or Azoff.
So, for those of you feeling a little queasy or uncomfortable with whatever handwringing or venting taking place among some of us who are frustrated, keep in mind an important part of this equation.
WE ARE STILL HERE.
And if this were any other pop teen artist out there, we would not be. And I just want to see his label/management make some kind of gesture that lets me know that they do see us as a viable market worth cultivating and that they see that David isn’t “just another pop teen star.” Because he’s not.
Hello Georgeous,
I am standing and applauding you. One year later I am still here too. I understand the marketing strategy, and I had hoped for something a bit different, but the path that David is on has been chosen, so it is what it is. I guess I will just have to be patient.
Thanks, BJ. The fact that we’re still here says that there’s something pretty special about our David, doesn’t it?
David just texted “ME” (yeah right) to tell me to watch I-Carly tomorrow.
……well, OKKKKKKKK, twist my armmmmmmmmm…..
HG – #263 – Can I get an Amen, sistah!?! I don’t always say it, HG, but ND wouldn’t be the same without you. God bless.
Love the way our dialogues tend to circle back round to what counts: David and his talent are worth our patience.
Sometimes, being this big a fan of David’s can feel like a burden. I worry about him as much as I worry about my daughters.
But mostly, when I really think about the big picture? This is exciting. We are seeing and supporting David at the very start. Someday, if I am lucky, I want to show my grandkids pictures of me with David Archuleta, and talk about that time I met him backstage, and the time I went to the venue in the outskirts of Oklahoma City, etc. etc.