Raindrops and Heart-Shaped Rain
…. Where Will David Be Allowed To Fall?
There I stand, in misty rain in the muddy outfield listening to the Poet Laureate of Rock and Roll. This night’s arrangements are remarkably recognizable, not that it’s important, just…unusual. The band is pure genius. Pure and simple. He’s rearranged his songs so often that even he has lost track. He and the band keep the structures intact to some degree, not that it matters to us. He is who he is ~ our poet; we are who we are ~ his audience; and we are together: with his music. That’s all that matters to either of us. We are hypnotized by the rhythms and the soul; by the art. His music has stood the test of time, as brilliant tonight as it was too many years ago.
Rolling Stone magazine says of him, “For over 40 years, Bob Dylan has remained, along with James Brown, the most influential American musician rock and roll has ever produced and the most important of the ’60s.
“Inscrutable and unpredictable, Dylan has been both deified and denounced for every shift of interest, while whole schools of musicians took up his ideas. His lyrics ~ the first in rock to be seriously regarded as literature ~ became so well known that politicians from Jimmy Carter to Vaclav Havel have cited them as an influence. By personalizing folk songs, Dylan reinvented the singer-songwriter genre; by performing his allusive, poetic songs in his nasal, spontaneous vocal style with an electric band, he enlarged pop’s range and vocabulary while creating a widely imitated sound….”
An icon in our midst with raindrops falling from the sky above.
Fast forward
Then I stand, the very next night, in imitation fog, Floor Section 3, Row 20, listening to the reigning Kings of Teen Pop.
This night’s staging is remarkable and the music catchy and adequate, not that it’s important. The band is rockin’ good…all 11 of them; 4 horns, 2 violins, 3 guitars, a drummer and a keyboard. Add the JoBros themselves, and round it out to …well, 11 musicians on stage (sorry, I couldn’t resist). Not that anyone is keeping track, we are all too busy enjoying the show.
They are who they are ~ Disney’s Boys, and Disney knows how to showcase its heart throb boys. We are who we are ~ teens having a blast. And we are together: with a hell of a terrific show. That’s all that matters to either of us. We are mesmerized by the smoke and the fog, the spray foam and the trampoline, the rotating stage and the lasers, the rising stage and the falling screen-in-the-round,… and the rain that falls from the ceiling.
At first, it is just ordinary rain falling in a circle from the steel above, then when we think it can’t get any better, it becomes Disney-rain falling as hearts and then as the words “Love Bug.” Oh yeah, and music stands at the center of the spectacle. Will this music stand the test of time? Will we be standing in rain in 45 years, heart-shaped or otherwise?
Rolling Stone magazine put them on the cover twice, (Nick reminds us).
A phenomenon in our midst with heart-shaped rain falling from the steel above.
There is a cavern between artists like Dylan and performers like the JoBros. Where along the spectrum will David be allowed to fall?
~ happy
“My music wasn’t made to take me from one place to another so I can retire early… To me, I don’t have a ‘career.’ … This isn’t my career; this is my life, and it’s still vital to me. … I just want to do whatever it is I do. … Besides, anything you want to do for posterity’s sake, you can just sing into a tape recorder and give it to your mother, you know? … This is all I want to do — it’s all I can do. I mean, you don’t have to be a 19- or 20-year-old to play this stuff. That’s the vanity of that youth-culture ideal. To me that’s never been the thing. I’ve never really aimed myself at any so-called youth culture. I directed it at people who I imagined, maybe falsely so, had the same experiences that I’ve had, who have been through what I’d been through. …If I’ve been about anything, it’s probably that, and to let some people know that it’s possible to do the impossible.” [Dylan From Rolling Stone, July 17, 1986]
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Happy, thank you for the post. It’s quite timely considering the recent discussion about what is going on behind the scenes (discreetly and indiscreetly) to support and promote David. What troubles me the most is the thought that David will be “allowed to fall” somewhere on this musical spectrum rather than being able to choose where he’ll end up. Like some others, I’m starting to worry a bit more about how much control David has over what goes on around him. One part of my brain tells me to relax because David knows what he wants and when it comes down to the critical things, he’ll have his way. And he’s young. His career will follow it’s own unique path and he’ll get to where he wants to in a way that no one will anticipate.
But the other part of me can’t ignore the rubbish that seems to be surrounding him lately. I’ve stopped trying to figure out WTH Jive and Azoff are doing and stopped lamenting what they haven’t. But the worries are there. David is busy. He is young and new to the industry. He can only do so much. While he is strong and can be stubborn, I can imagine that he also lets his heart rule over his head at times. As a fan, I know all I can do is continue to support David with my devotion, my time and of course, my dollars as this seems to be what counts most to these days. I suppose there is no better time to just have faith and hope for the best.
Now, my apologies here for going back to the other thread. For once I’m glad that I’m in a different time zone. Missing Richard was probably a good thing in my case. This will likely be a very unpopular opinion, but here we go any way. I really don’t think it’s a good thing that Richard is speaking directly to the fan base about the Christmas album. Yes, he’s being vague and there is no ‘real’ information, but this manner of communication seems extremely unprofessional to me.
Has David, Jive or Azoff approved of Richard ‘hinting’ around to the fan base? I appreciate that Richard is very involved with the album and I have no doubt that he’s putting everything into it to make it a success. But this is David’s album, not Richard’s. If Richard wants to be viewed as a legitimate producer/composer/songwriter for the artist David Archuleta, then he should be working in the background just as anyone from the label and management team does. Unless I missed it, no one from Jive or Azoff pops up randomly on fan sites to comment and respond to questions.
I agree with those who passionately believe that David needs and deserves a 100% professional team around him. I don’t question Richard’s credentials, but if he wants to be involved in a professional capacity with David’s career then he needs to behave as a professional. Being closely associated with one of David’s fan sites and being able to freely speak about David in an unedited context may have been appropriate in the past, but this may become more of a liability as David’s career moves forward and grows.
Lotus, I agree 100 percent. If Richard visits again, I will not engage him next time. It was not a casual visit. Something is up. Whenever fans engage Jeff and Richard (both of whom should not ben involved or leak information to fan sites; very unprofessional) it only leads to drama.
Brain cramp .. very make me think blog from happy , and very thought inducing posts from lotus and freo. I will drive to work.. and think… I have something to say
Review from yesterday:
“Following a brief appearance by pop singer Jordan Pruitt, 2008 “American Idol” runner-up David Archuleta got the crowd’s blood pumping (not to mention its hormones) with the hit power ballad “Crush” and other romantic fare. The material was formulaic, although there was no denying Archuleta’s formidable pipes, not to mention his puppy-dog eyes. True, he probably didn’t need that scarf in the middle of summer, but it made an interesting fashion statement.”
Someone had mentioned the scarf in the previous thread. I thought it was a nice review for David with ‘blood pumping’, ‘formidable pipes’ and ‘fashion statement’ mentions.
Now I’m reading Happy’s article.
And Lotus is absolutely right. Oh, the nerve of dropping by at a fan site that the ‘wholesome bunch’ doesn’t care about!
It’s raining in my part of the globe. It’s winter for me and it’s been raining for days now. This article and the discussions of the last couple of days make me melancholy. I’ve been revisiting David’s AI videos and that’s never a good sign in my case.
I hope David can choose where to fall. We fans want the ‘career’. David probably just wants to sing.
I like the rain in the ALTNOY video – just a random thought!
Happy – great article. It’s so grounding to read those words of Dylan: “This is my life…it’s all I can do.” Could the JoBros say that? Ha! Could David say that? Without a doubt. I am convinced that David will fall closer to Dylan in the long run.
Marlie….thanks for the concert recap on previous thread….I can’t wait for your VIP. I’m so excited!
YJfan….You took me back to my VIP, seems so long ago and it’s only been two weeks. I’m glad to see others experiencing what I did with David…he is truly unique.
SF….It’s today! Can’t wait to hear about your concert and VIP.
And emilylovesarchie, videographer for the last couple of concerts will be there tonight….YAY!
Happy…thought provoking post… I hope David falls were HE wants to be, that as time goes he creates his own road to what makes HIM happy….and I’ll be happy with that.
I’m so new to this fan business…I’m not sure all of what’s supposed to be happening or not. I do get the feeling that this isn’t the norm….because David is not normal….IMO
Valbraz…. I love the ALTNOY video… think I’ll watch it now…and then to work.
Dawn…will be on the look out for what you have to say…lol
Freo #2 – I couldn’t agree more that when fans engage Jeff or Richard, it only leads to drama!
BTW – Fireflies FTW!
happy~
I love the way you juxtapose two very different concert experiences. Dylan vs Jbro…authentic vs artificial, using the metaphor of real rain from heaven and the glitzy heart-shaped manufactured precipitation from the Disney machine. I know where David wants to fall. He says he loves artists who’s songs have meaning and depth, who are taken seriously. He cites Eva Cassidy, Sara Bareilles, Jason Mraz, Alanis Morissette.
Where will he be allowed to fall? If we follow the money, he will be picking celluloid hearts from his hair before long.
I wrote in an earlier article, A Growing Force, about the struggles any artist who wants to remain true to his art must endure. David’s burden, and he can not escape it, is to “engage in constant battle with forces that would diminish his art, and so diminish him. He must find the courage to be supremely indifferent to the opinions of others.”
He has already displayed a gutsy talent for this in his decision to wear plaid and scarves in summer. It may seem like a small thing, but to me, like your two kinds of rain, it symbolizes a whole lot more.
lotus_b – I am sorry I missed you. It appears we may have had a lively conversation. I am not about the drama. I think that desire belongs to those of you who can’t wait for the next opportunity to be offended.
I respect your opinion, however I am sorry that you have misconstrued my intents for coming here. I have several friends that frequent this site and I was lead here yesterday by a few people. I actually hesitated to post, but then realized I have nothing to hide.
After I saw some of the things being said about me, I realized that the people speaking have not met me and quite frankly know nothing about me. I know that when I say crap about people, it doesn’t make me feel good. And I can’t imagine that those speaking were feeling warm and fuzzy inside after they posted. If they were, then there is something wrong.
I am not ‘hinting’ about anything. Yes, there are things we can’t disclose, mostly because not all decisions have been finalized. I don’t want to mislead people and have them come back and say, “But you said…” Maybe it is best that I say nothing at all. If you wish to not have me involved in your conversations, then leave my name out of your conversations. If you include my name, then I see that as an invitation that you are willing to talk and I have no problem with that.
I agree with you that this is David’s album. But, I have worked my tail of to make sure that what he has behind him sounds amazing. I will never apologize for that. I guess we could just let him stand up there and sing acapella for a couple hours? Or we can all do our part. I am not out for the credit. I really could care less. My objective is to help David get his message across with his instrument.
My reason for coming on here yesterday was to get to know some of you, and for you to get to know me. There was no “something going on here”, nobody asked me to do it, it had nothing to do with damage control, and I won’t apologize for saying hello. I do not believe there was anything unprofessional about it at all. I am a very proactive person. I do not live in a reactive state. Sometimes when I say it like it is, it doesn’t sit well with some. But, to be offended is a choice. I choose not to be.
The most professional people I have met in any arena are the ones who communicate well. Problems tend to exist when there is no communication or poor communication. That is a universal law that exists everywhere. So, call me unprofessional if you wish, but those who know me would probably more than disagree with you.
I would be glad to talk to you anytime you wish. After all, we are all merely supporters of David. All with the desire to see him do well and have everyone in this world hear his voice and message. That has been one of my goals and passions since I met him 4 years ago and it will continue to be.
P.S. I do have a lot of nerve. I also have a lot of care for folks on your site. If you are here to support David, then we are no different. To say that I have said that I do not care about your site when I have not said that is not very fair. It hurts a little, but I’ll get over it. It just makes me realize more that you have no idea who I am and where my heart lies. I’ll try and do better.
Richard – you are always welcome to come and visit here. There has been a lot of confusion and concern among the fansites recently. A respectful conversation can only lead to a better understanding.
Bottom line: all of us, in our own imperfect ways, want the best for David. We wouldn’t be here if we weren’t passionate about David. We all have been touched by his music and by who he is as a person. Sometimes that gets lost for a time in all the fluff and flurry of fansite dramas lol!
Angelica…A Growing Force is posted on my bulletin board….beautiful.
I wanted to share that a sent two coworkers who like David but don’t have ODD the In Praise of a Vulnerable Man, they both were close to tears. They said you captured something, the spirit, the essence of David with this video and I couldn’t agree more….
They’ve seen all your other videos and love them all, one of them has a glass of wine to sit and watch I Couldn’t Love You More video…lol
Maybe I’m in the minority here, but Azoff himself could post here and I wouldn’t see that as being “unprofessional” (depends on what he’d say, of course).
Whether it’s Twitter, mySpace, blogs or youTube, social marketing is where it’s at these days … online communities that share information, ideas, whatever.
Getting the word out about an upcoming release and answering fan questions is a smart idea, imo. I, for one, say, bring it on!
Hi, I am a lurker. I read comments on every site of David’s. I hope we as fans and admirers of David can come together somehow. David is a gift. A prodigy. A rare talent, not only as a musician but as an individual. He is wise beyond his years and much stronger than most people give him credit. He is becoming and will become a great force in the music industry. He is no ones puppet. Be patient and trust. Watch as his greatness unfolds.
And Happy, love, love, LOVE your post!
I hope your final question, “Where along the spectrum will David be allowed to fall?” is a rhetorical one!
Richard – It just makes me realize more that you have no idea who I am and where my heart lies. I’ll try and do better.
I think communication is always a good thing…And I really appreciate this statement…all we can do is strive to do better.
davidfanliz – Bottom line: all of us, in our own imperfect ways, want the best for David. We wouldn’t be here if we weren’t passionate about David. We all have been touched by his music and by who he is as a person.
Couldn’t have said it better…
little mac #15: Welcome!
Great post, happy! Thought-provoking.
Welcome to our recent new visitors to the site. We’ve been having some great discussions.
Richard,
I know all too well what it feels like to have one’s motives and methods questioned and misconstrued, and in particular by this very passionate and expressive fan base
My inclination is almost always first and foremost to communicate. It’s what I do for a living, it’s what I do naturally… It doesn’t always work to my (or anyone’s) advantage. And although I understand the perspective that says that someone who is working with David might remain unengaged with the fan base for reasons of “professionalism,” I could also argue that a less formal approach is just as valid, and possibly even more in keeping with how David himself views his relationship to his public.
In any case, I never see any downside to communication, as long as it is not personal, and does not intentionally compromise anyone. For quite some time now (the core of this community has been together since the middle of AI Season 7), the writers and commentators here have been focused on an open-minded, broad-based, thoughtful and intelligent investigation of the enormous appeal of David Archuleta.
I, for one, will always be grateful to you for “Think of Me,” which I happen to believe is one of the few studio recordings that so far properly showcases David’s genius as a vocalist. The arrangement has a lot to do with that.
Please feel welcome, Richard, and free to participate.
Richard,
I commented on the last thread that it was a shame that it takes controversy to bring someone like you to this site. I for one am very interested in anything you have to say. I also said I hoped you would visit here again soon. But you had gone. Perhaps we are a bit sensitive here. This is a beautiful site filled with so many lovely members who truly struggle to find words to express the amazing artist David is. We have been ridiculed for being too outspoken by those who do not know us any better than we know you.
I hope you will return and let us get to know each other better.
Angelica, great points! I love this site, too. I have a passionate activist spirit and love being part of a site that is not afraid to celebrate and also question when needed.
# 10 Richard
I think it was me and not Lotus you were responding to in your post scriptum. Good for you to have a lot of nerve. You’ll need it if you intend to be working with artists of the popularity and caliber of David’s. They tend to be the object of great admiration, passion and fierce protectiveness, for better or worse.
And although I can see you point I still disagree that it’s ok for people involved in David’s team to ‘barge in’ discussions taking place at fan sites. It feels like policing to me and that’s just my opinion. I don’t presume to speak for anyone in this community. That’s what I like about it. Anyone can speak their minds.
I’m glad you care about us and I apologize for inadvertently putting words in your mouth. That’s simply not the feeling that exudes from most comments at FOD – that’s the site you created, I suppose? – whenever they defer to acknowledge us. Since this attitude is allowed to go on unquestioned and I’ve never seen you here before, at happier, more celebratory times, I jumped to conclusions. Sorry, again.
Richard, it’s not really relevant if you’ve “worked your tail off” producing an album for David. You are not a recognized name in the business. Fans feel uneasy about this at a time when his career’s at a standstill. There’s an amateur feeling about recent decisions–including the decision to go on tour with Levato without co-equal billing at least–or some guaranteed promotion.
Wow, I used to love coming here and reading all the back and forth. Learned alot, but this is getting way to “nasty” for me. I’ll do my lurking elsewhere. Thanks for the fun times, back when it was Rascal’s blog. Laterz—-
WOW! I use to like lurking here. But not anymore….sad…….love David a ton! and always will……
Happy:
Very thought-provoking post!
Memories of Bob Dylan. He spoke for everyone, of man’s struggle through life’s ups and downs. Although his voice clearly had a rough edge, he touched a generation of people through his heartfelt lyrics and soothing rhythms.
Dylan brought people together and made them understand by connecting to them through his music on a gut level, very much the same way David does. That’s why Bob Dylan’s music will be around forever. And that’s why, I believe, David’s music will be around forever and ever!
I have every faith in David and have patience while he finds his “place to fall”.
Daverobsd and Little Mac – sorry you feel that way. You are always welcome to lurk but please don’t lose your courage to jump in. This site is not for the faint of heart. The posters here all love David fiercely an state their point of view respectfully, but bluntly. We have our fun times too like any other fan site but when it comes to David’s career – we probe, analyze and debate amongst ourselves.
Fans of David come from all backgrounds, races, ages and walks of life so you cannot expect us all to be 100% in agreement with everything David’s label and management does. We may be powerless in affecting any major decisions but have the power to speak our minds when we see inconsistencies. You never know who might be listening!
Happy – Thank you for a delightful, think-a-lot post. Unfortunately I do not know much about Bob Dylan or his music but from the clip you provided, I could tell that he was not an ordinary songwriter, but a true poet in the guise of a musician.
Richard. welcome aboard and, to quote Bette Davis, it “will be a bumpy ride.” Although most of the people here are good natured and have things in perspective, there are a few that tend to miscontrue and distort well meaning ideas and views. They think that they have a “higher” love and understanding of David, and also think that “worry” is the ultimate manifestation of devotion and concern. How mere “fans” think that they have some sort of knowledge of how an artist should be managed and promoted, and,as a result of that, think that they “know better” how to do it has both amazed and amused me.
To re-quote Ryan Seacrest you “can only vote for David, you can’t adopt him.” To say that David’s career is “at a standstill” when he is on a major tour and has 2 CDs in the hopper flies in the face of common sense. Ask Jason Castro or any of the other non winners of season 7 if they would like to have their career at such a “standstill”.
Richard, please continue to post on this site. There is much more to David than Archu-thighs and plaid shirts.
#23 – Valbraz
I have been working with people of great caliber for the last 15 years. I’m not new to this. I am very comfortable with where I have been and where I am going with my career. I know plenty of people in the industry and am fully aware of how things work.
So, anyone can speak their minds…. except for me? You would prefer that I don’t speak my mind? I don’t believe I have “barged in”. I am not policing, and if I have spoken in a way that feels condescending to you, I apologize. That was not my intent.
And who is us? or who is them? why the divisiveness? Why can’t we be one fan base with one common goal? I have no control what people post and have no desire to. If someone starts posting derogatory comments on our site, we usually address them, and sometimes remove them. It doesn’t happen that often. I know the same happens here.
#24 – Praepos
Yeah, I guess so. It is hard for me to imagine that there was a day that nobody knew who Quincy Jones was, or David Foster was, or Eman was, or Jeffrey Steele… They were all huge names when they broke into the next level. You don’t have to appreciate my efforts. It matters little to me. What matters to me is that my wife and kids do appreciate it, and they do, so I’m good.
I am not in this for the accolades or the recognition. I would prefer to just be in the background and see from afar that people are moved and enjoy my musical contributions. But if you kick me in the groin and then kick me in the teeth on the way down and expect me to stand there and do nothing, you have mistaken me for someone else.
I was not aware that his career was at a standstill. I am working with 7, (count them, 7) other artists right now and not one of them is on tour with Demi Lovato. Every one of them would probably love to be. I agree that he should have been at least equally billed and I’m not sure how that happened. I wasn’t there. But, he’s not and as far as I can tell from the emails that I am getting, he is gaining fans everyday. And he’s got the label supporting two upcoming albums in the next year. Hardly a stand still.
Every situation may not be perfect and to our liking, but I think things are headed the right direction. It may take more time than any of us like for it to get there. But chill…. it will get there. I mean, seriously, you have an 18 year old guy that is doing what he loves, making plenty of money, and having the time of his life. And somewhere in there, we can find issues with that. Let’s compare that to when we were 18…
Sometimes when people have made up their minds, there is nothing you can do or say to change them. The more you present you side, the more they dig their heels in.
Hi Richard and welcome to TDC: I am glad to have you here (in spite of what Bliss might say
) I do have a ton of questions and posted one yesterday, but I had been to the David concert in Cleveland and was a little inarticulate – some of you know of what I speak.
I just would love to know – and you may not know, either – why Jive doesn’t promote David more? Why don’t his singles get spins? DJ’s tell us that the record label has to promote the song. Other’s say call the DJ’s. What’s the real scoop? It appears to some of us that Jive doesn’t spend much money promoting David. David promotes David, the band promotes David, the Fans promote David, but Jive? Not so sure. Perhaps we are missing something and I would truly love to know more about that side of the business.
I find it comical that “lurker” types pop up when discussion gets heated, only to cry “foul.” As if debating issues is a bad thing. My question to them is “why tell us you lurk?” Sorta like if a tree falls in the woods, would any one hear it?
Abrra
Abrra, the wise (acre).
Opps! My post #34 is a response to posts #25 and #26 .
Abrra
Richard, it’s not about you, though you seem to think so. Nobody has kicked you in the groin. I simply cited your own words about having busted your tail for David–and wondered how that could be relevant in terms of his career. Sure, as you say, “he’ll get there”–maybe–but the tour was still a humiliating setback–and has alienated many fans including myself. I’m glad David’s happy, I’m glad he’s making money. But how does a major insult to his career further his prospects? It doesn’t. Even worse, I suspect it’s been the money alone that has figured most in the the present course. No other explanation makes any real sense.
happy: I didn’t intend not to comment on your article.
Your article made me wonder if we want both worlds for David, and you know, that just can’t happen. We want him to have the money backing that Disney throws around while we want him to be able to have the respect (not today, necessarily, but before all us old folks leave this earth), that Dylan achieved. We want David to have pop star power and acoustic musical depth.
David will certainly find his way, but I think right now we all just wish it didn’t have to seem like such an uphill battle for respect.
At the Cleveland concert last night the average age of the audience was about 12. There were 6 year olds there with Demi shirts on. The loudspeakers and videos before the concert played JBros and advertised the Disney TV shows of Demi and Hannah (er, Miley). It was almost uncomfortable to be there and be over….14. The kids that were really young didn’t get David (they were fidgety), although the 18-year olds (fewer than the 12 year olds) certainly did. It just doesn’t feel like the place for someone of his talent to be. Although, Jordin Pruitt was actually pretty good – better than Demi, I’m afraid. And she has a really strong voice.
Anyway….you ask the right questions, and show us this perfect juxtaposition of those two concerts, and make us think, think, think….and pray.
marlie – At the Cleveland concert last night the average age of the audience was about 12. There were 6 year olds there with Demi shirts on.
That’s interesting…at the Nokia in LA they’re were plenty of adults and 16 to 20 crowd. The 6 to 12 year olds were in the minority.
Anxiously waiting for tonights videos…
djafan – The difference between a David concert and a Demi concert with Special Guest, David Archuleta. And, I thought he WAS a Special Guest, not an “opener”. What ever happened to that?
And one more thing, then I’ll stop spamming.
We’ve always had a wide variety of people here on TDC and have always had disagreements of a wide variety as well. It’s actually part of the character of the site to analyze the crap out of everything – a characteristic we inherited from NotingDavid. It’s mostly all good.
We have an occasional nasty moment because we are all human and can’t always live up to perfection – in anyone’s eyes.
#34 Guess I shouldn’t have said that I lurk. Just thought I would let you guys know that I have come here often and enjoyed the comments I have read. I don’t mind people commenting and giving their opinions about David’s career. Just don’t like the slamming of others when people really don’t know them. Like slamming me when you really don’t know who I am.
#37 – No, it is not about me, never has been, never will be. You apparently did not read the comments from yesterday.
There are a ton of people busting their tail. Of course it’s relevant. David is not in this alone. Now, is everyone involved replaceable? Absolutely. But then the next in line will just have to bust their tail. It’s a lot of work to make all of this happen.
I don’t see the tour as a humiliating setback. Do you realize how many artists are not touring right now? This is a tough time for this industry. I’m sure those that are touring are very grateful for that, whatever the circumstance. Arenas are hard to fill right now. Really hard to fill right now.
I think this has insulted many of the fans more than it has David. I will not speak for him, but knowing who he is, I’m sure he’s grateful for the position he’s in.
Again, I don’t know how and why the decisions were made. But Jive and Azoff has his best interest in mind, because when he does well, they do well. That’s how that cookie crumbles. I guess we could always hope that they drop him so that he can do this on his own. Surely that is not our desire, is it?
My grandpa always taught me, “It’s not good to piddle on the shoes of the man who is going to take you somewhere. Because he could always just take off those shoes and give them to you, and walk away…”
#18 davdfanLIZ. By the way, thanks!
Richard I agree that David is grateful for the opportunity to be on that stage night after night to sing for his or anyones fans. David just loves to sing lets just enjoy it!!!
My basic complaint has always been that David’s management does not seem to appreciate his value. In fact I doubt David even appreciates his true worth. He’s simply a kid having a ball–until such time as the excitement dies down and he’s ready for college. At least that’s my impression. Yet he’s an artist who’s already sold more than 700,000 albums domestically and almost a million+ worldwide, plus a single that’s almost double platinum. As such, he deserved better than he got–and his advisors should have realized this. Most of the fans sites avoid the whole management issue in an effort to gain access to information and suffer seriously from credibility problems as a consequence. But fans need to know they can be open about what they think–and be able to air grievances. Richard instead seems eager to tamp certain views down–without really helping us understand what’s going on behind the scenes. Clearly he knows more than he’s willing to say–and fans seem largely content to letting him get away with non-answers. Even here.
Happy, Just want you to know how much I loved your article! It is very well written and says so much about David and his great talent! So thanks for sharing it with us!
Abrra#34 – Honorable master remove words from grasshopper’s mouth.
djafan#13 – Thanks! That is so sweet! They are just tiny pebbles but even one pebble in a pond can produce an ever widening ripple.
Richard#31 – “And who is us? or who is them? why the divisiveness? Why can’t we be one fan base with one common goal?”
I agree. Welcome back. I hope you don’t always just come to “take up arms against a sea of troubles.” We have a lot of fun here too.
Angelica . July 28, 2009 at 5:52 pm .
*giggles* I almost said something about a bear in the woods…………..
You have mail
Abrra
Little Mac – Welcome Back! You got your feet wet, stepped on, BUT came back. Good for you.
davidfanliz I really enjoyed talking to you and Mikesd in LA. And did I also meet djafan in LA? David was on fire that night but he was even better in Vegas.
Richard I love all you do for David and for us his fans. Know that you are appreaciated.
#46 David is having a lot of fun, but I think there is a deeper side to David that many don’t see. I think he feels there is a great purpose for his talent and life. I think he is fully aware of the impact he can and will make in people’s lives. I know we can all be a little frustrated. But I like to believe that David is like the sun in the morning when it begins to rise…OK that sounds corny, ……..but I think his influence will be gradual but will fill the earth. His management will “get him” soon enough. And if they don’t, I think there will be a change made.
#50 Yeah,……I am tough….haha
#40 – marlie…in most ads he is listed as special guest, the problem maybe with the fact that demi doesn’t acknowledge him at all, not even as the opener, much less her guest.
Granddaughter 12, fan of demi, is changing her mind about her, says she seems to be a little to much into herself, that she should learn from David….music to my ears….lol
gemzone01 – Hi! Yes it was me… loved talking to you and listening to your wonderful David stories.
little mac – glad to see you’re back! But I like to believe that David is like the sun in the morning when it begins to rise…OK that sounds corny
I like corny…lol
Richard, I wrote the last post before I read your previous answer. But I still stand behind what I said. How does it help in the perception of David if he opens for someone who’s a lesser star than he is? How does touring without promotion help him in any way? Sure he’s making money–but he’s still in a subordinate position to Levato who’s herself a newcomer and non-star. How does this help new fans to perceive David as a star in his own right? How does this help in perceiving him as a serious mainstream artist? Why keep him on the road like this–without time to adequately focus on a sophomore album? Clearly it’ll mean more music created on the fly–why?
#54 djafan I don’t like that David hasn’t been promoted by Demi at all either….matter of fact it really bugs me a lot. But David is such a great sport and is turning hearts and drawing people to him anyway. He is winning despite the adversity he may face and will overcome all of this “stuff”. There have been many comments made from people that have gone to the concerts that haven’t known David and have said that David is the most talented and they love him. He is earning the funds necessary to complete his two albums. This past year has been an experiment. Next year will be different. David will show who he is as an artist and he will be respected and appreciated more. OK>…..I have gone on long enough…..just had to say…….I choose to have hope and confidence in David’s future.
Although I am a long time lurker (and have only posted a few times here), I have been a fan of David since day #1 and know what it feels like to want the best for him. He is such a rare gem in an industry overwrought with counterfeits. I too want only what David wants and while, yes, I believe that there is a vast depth to him, I also see the joy on his face doing what he loves to do day in and day out. Whether that means he is performing for a few fans during an acopella engagement, singing to a track, or performing in front of thousands, the same David shows up. I see that he has such a desire to share the gift that he has been given with others to reach them in a way that words cannot.
I, for one, cannot stomach all of the drama that surrounds such a special, wonderful young man. The outside world will do enough to chew us up, spit us out and stomp on us at any given chance. We are all here because of a love for everything David. Anyone that loves David is already a champ in my book and Richard, let me just say, I have only met you briefly at the Utah solo pre-party, and I am willing to bet that you value your relationship with David more than any of us can imagine. I believe that David has stepped into the role of spreading his message, and although subtle, it is coming across loud and clear. He is an amazing example of all that is right with this world. I appreciate you, Richard for your contributions, and, okay, this IS about David, granted, but anyone that has a hand in furthering David’s career and has a heart to “get” him, well I say that makes you a pretty great person yourself.
I also desire for the fanbase to trust David and know that he is a highly intelligent, focused artist. Will mistakes/missteps be made? Perhaps, and most likely, YES, but I believe that the art will outshine all of that and his star will continue to ascend as it so deservedly should. Anyone to possess the abilities that David possesses to inspire, encourage, comfort, befriend, uplift…oh, i could go on and on here….is going to bring out passionate emotions in those around him. I thank God for David every single day and feel so blessed to have made such wonderful friends that share the love of this extraordinary artist and person.
#46
I think you are mistaken that they don’t appreciate his value, and I’ll go further, his values. You can doubt all you want. He amazes me daily. Several times I have been in the room when someone has met David for the first time, and even after explaining to them the level of talent and maturity he has, they walk out in amazement and almost every time say, “He is the real deal, isn’t he.” Yes, he is.
I think you should ask David if he deserves more than what he has received. I think you would be surprised to hear his answer. He is humble, gracious, courteous… everything that I am trying to teach my own kids to be. I was so excited when he entered the public arena because I am very comfortable with my kids looking up to him. I mean, for craps sake, I look up to him. He is just a great person.
Let’s see, people in the real world call that brown nosing. Is that what you are getting at? Call anyone on David’s management team and ask them if we subscribe to that policy. I, for one, have had many blunt and frank conversations when I don’t agree with something. I am nobodies yes man.
I do think it’s interesting that you think that the fans view should be considered above all, at least that’s how it seems. I know there are people or organizations involved that probably have hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line here, with years of experience backing it. They have to rely on that experience to move their train forward. I’m sure this listen to comments and complaints, but at the end of the day, realizing that it is their money on the line, they have to live with their decisions. And consequently, so do we.
I welcome everyone’s views. I thought this was a place for lively debate? I always say what I can. If a person ever trusts me with something in confidence, I will keep it that way. That will never change.
He’s also convincing a lot of others outside his fan circles that the stereotype about him is true–that his target audience is made up of tweens and little kids. That his management didn’t consider this stereotype to be a problem is telling in itself. Apparently the sole focus was on the money to be made touring.
Richard #59, “They have to rely on that experience to move their train forward. I’m sure this listen to comments and complaints, but at the end of the day, realizing that it is their money on the line, they have to live with their decisions. And consequently so do we.”
I keep reading/hear that Jive changed the 2nd single from TMH to ALTNOY because of fan input but then didn’t promote it as a means of “teaching” us to , I guess, not interfer. Do you have any knowledge or insight to this?
Been at a conference all day and just checking in. Nice to see some new posters and lurkers now posting.
Richard, Again, I missed your previous response–I was responding to another post–so this would be the post that answers it.
I will believe his management appreciates David’s value when they act in ways that indicate this. Having him open for Demi Levato is not a convincing indication. Just the opposite.
I agree David is truly humble–which is why I feel his opinion of his own worth is beside the point. Artists have managers precisely to give them some real objectivity. His present team doesn’t seem to be doing this when they underscore stereotypes about him.
I don’t think fans’ views should be the last word about anything–just that they should be known by the management since they are ultimately the persons who make or break him in the marketplace. Right now the mature fan is being alienated–and the bubblegum crowd is being catered to. Six year olds are being addressed on this tour–not twenty-six year olds.
I’m sure Jive’s spending a little money. But that’s not what bothers me. What bothers me is the lack of common sense and the lack of promotional support. I’m sure his management and Jive want him to succeed. But what are they doing to make this happen? I’m not talking about anything big–just an appearance somewhere among adults instead of on iCarly–something that shows they know where he belongs as a singer.
#56 –
Q1 – I agree
Q2 – he’s touring, for that, I’m grateful
Q3 – a star is as a star does, not as a star is promoted
Q4 – he is on the fast track here, in my view
Q5 – I agree with you here – they must have decided a tour was a good idea – time will tell
Q6 – Possibly, but I doubt it. I have had a very recent conversation about this very thing. I think he will be given time to focus write. I don’t think they are in a hurry for pop album #2. It will happen when the right songs are there. If that’s tomorrow, then it will happen tomorrow. If it’s in 8 months, then it will happen in 8 months. There is a great desire to get it just right, not just get it.
Oh, and #58 – thank you
#61 – I have not heard anything about that.
hmmm … I did not want to venture back into the throngs of this discussion. I wanted to talk about happy’s post. The rest of the crap.. it’s just crap.. and I don’t care.
This site has never been for the faint of heart, I’m neither offensive or defensive and have no intention of taking up a side on that now… not after all THIS time… oh heck no.
ANYWAY .. enough of the melodrama…
Happy (hi babe)
I did have time to contemplate your post today .. and it was a difficult leap for me.. as I don’t care for Dylan and think my granddaughter has more talent then the JoBros (and she’s only 2).
HOWEVER .. Dylan .. wrote songs for which quotes would be generated .. it’s what he did.. I did like The Wallflowers though.. so I think him for his son
Where will David fall?
This seems to not get easier.. it gets more difficult trying to wade through the turbulence.
I remember not too long ago.. when Rascal posted ..what’s wrong with being balladeer…and I recall.. HG I think.. firmly being in the opinion that David wanted to do “pop”.
Well that’s all fine and dandy.. if that’s really where his heart leads him.. it will be a shame..because let’s face it.. pop doesn’t usually require the vocal skill that David has. This is where I’d reference the JoBros .. they don’t really have vocal talent.. but they have all the rest of the ingredients necessary to be internationally popular.. multimillionaire artists of their generation.
I can’t see David falling behing the path of a Dylan either.. because he really doesn’t have the life experience to draw upon.. to write the kind of songs Dylan made famous. Maybe we can visit that in another 15 years or so.. but his life experiences… can only be tapped into so much.. to write the kind of stuff Dylan did. Third person interpretation.. isn’t quite the same.
I don’t know where he’ll fall.. I hope he can find a way to really set a standard.. thinking of the reno opening of WFM.. that soulful .. bluesy style.. can only work with an artist like David. This is where I think he can take the music scene by storm.. because he has a lot to offer by way of vocal genius… unfortunately.. in the current state of affairs.. it’s a rare opportunity to get to hear them… but at every single concert.. when he breaks out a power vocal.. it turns the place on it’s end.. the frenzy begins.. so I hope there is something in the reaction of an arena.. that tells him.. hey.. I have something here.. how can I build upon THAT.
Was I digressing much?
I had all my thoughts together before I came here.. and now I’m like.. holy mother of God .. AGAIN with the crap….
I’m also not a fan of anyone feeling the need to defend their position on anything.
No matter what my opinion is on anything.. I can promise I go above and beyond .. to consistently support DAVID. I wish he had the best of the best.. but he’s got what he’s got.. and until that changes.. I just gotta do what I gotta do ..
#63. Last year they thru David’s album together while he was touring with AI. This year he is recording Christmas songs. But the pop album won’t drop until next year. He will have time this fall and winter to study things out…to write and work things out the way he wants to. I am glad that they aren’t in a hurry this time. I think David knows who he is as an artist more now. It will be exciting to see what happens. I am excited for his Christmas album too It will show off his gorgeous pipes! Way excited!
Praepos – I’m all for freedom of speech and lively debate. For several threads I have refrained from responding to your comments. But this…remember the movie with Meryl Streep and Goldie Hawn, “Death Becomes Her,” where everyone in the group therapy session is dreading when it is Goldie Hawn’s turn to speak? Because they know what she is going to say before she says it, cause they have heard it all a hundred times before?
The tour is a done deal. I have been to one concert and had a blast. I am going to another in Orlando this weekend and I intend to have the time of my life. Because life is short and the journey is all we have. I’m loving this journey with David, even though I may not like every turn of the road or stop along the way. What I’m trying to say is….
Give it a rest for the love of God!!!
Thank you.
dja .. and marlie.. perhaps it’s where you sit in the arena. Demi’s fanbase is primarily 6 – 14 .. at my first concert.. there were an equal number of children (children in the single digit age) .. as their were of the tween and teen demographic.
I will say however.. that anyone OVER the age of 20.. was there for David.
THIS has to be acknowledged at some point.. for an artist to jump on the scene.. and from the JUMP.. hold a captive audience… from 2 to 90 years of age.. is a RARE event..
HOWEVER.. nurturing that broad of a fanbase.. will be a real challenge.. I don’t know if Jive has that type of experience… heck.. I don’t know who has that type of experience.. but I think it’s necessary to think outside of the box… because this isn’t your run of the mill artist.. and run of the mill management.. will run his mill into the ground.. in short order.
Can he exist on the size of his current fanbase ? probably.. without a doubt… but that will make him mediocre.. I’m not a fan of mediocre.
Dawn – did you check your e-mail sent last night?
Angelica … you had to have known.. didn’t you know? I knew .. you must have as well… hahahahahaha
Orlando huh?
Cool. I’m working out some kinks in my travel plans now. But don’t tell Abrra.. she gets nervous..
David in lights!
http://twitpic.com/byhnv
joymus .. I did indeed check my email.. what timezone are you in?
I will probably do that later tonight
YEAH DJA !!!
It makes me all excited for SF.. who else is in picks tonight ??
I haven’t checked my twitter yet .. so I don’t know if beebee is busy doing her thang…
They actually make me work during the day .. so I haven’t had much time to fangirl.
Angelica,
Give it a rest for the love of God!!!
haha….! Where is HG? (on vacation, I think).
#63 – So how do you think families felt when they went to buy tickets to his solo shows earlier this year, only to find out they were being held in bar with alcohol served? The problem here is that everyone loves David. And they should.
There are going to be times when the love goes to the younger crowd, and times when it goes to those with more savoir faire. Just wait til you open your little plastic box in about 3.5 to 4 months. You’ll see what I mean…
Okay folks – I have got to get this bridge done.
Praepos – love and respect to you
Have a beautiful night…
About the alcohol question and having a David concert at a place with a bar…let me put on a pot of coffee and think about that.
Thank you Angelica!
dawn? What are you doing?
what am I doing ? nothing out of ordinary.. should I be doing something different ?
Richard – Thank You
Dawn – EST. It is almost 7:10 pm.(right now)
So how do you think families felt when they went to buy tickets to his solo shows earlier this year, only to find out they were being held in bar with alcohol served?
I wasn’t aware of that.. even though the establishments I attended during solo tour.. did indeed serve “beverages” … none of them had the bars open.. by request of management.
gotcha joymus
we are in the same timezone.. awesome
I went to Chicago HOG and there were many families there, and older fans in the bar area. There were even families back in the bar area. It was a classy set-up and drew the diverse crowd that David needs: families, singles, tweens, gay couples and singles, and others. People can choose to drink if they want to or not.
I meant Chicago HOB.
Freo – real funny typo, haha
haha!
hahaha @ HOG .. awesome !! and I’m so jealous.. sounds like a nice place.. ours was not as swanky
dawn65 . July 28, 2009 at 6:56 pm .
HUH? Tell me it doesn’t involve AUGUST?
Abrra *shaking*
Dawn, HOB was so classy. Nothing classier than having a nice glass of white wine and listening to David in an acoustically beautiful space.
Abrra.. relax dang it.. it involves the travel/stay issues between Hershey and AC .. no worries.
freo.. I was just thinking.. a nice glass of zinfandel… prior to a David acoustic set … may leave me sobbing on the floor..not a good plan ..
Dawn
Just checking. I’d hate to have to return that nifty oak toilet seat I got just for your visit
Abrra
oh yeah.. I get to put my hiney on oak
No.. just logistics between some stuff down here. Hershey .. will be a day I tell you.. a day. It’s a family affair.. which isn’t my normal David day.. including kiddies.. 5, 3, 2, 1 and 9 months
Yeah for me .. LOL.
Oh my! I’d need a Super Soaker to keep that crew in line! Gl with that
Abrra
gemzone #51: A belated Hi! I really enjoyed talking with you at the LA VIP. Hope to see you at another show soon!
Oh Dawn @66, loved this: I don’t know where he’ll fall.. I hope he can find a way to really set a standard.. thinking of the reno opening of WFM.. that soulful .. bluesy style.. can only work with an artist like David. This is where I think he can take the music scene by storm.. Amen.
Welcome Richard. Thanks for your input, insights and commitment to David.
Years ago when I first was involved with a non-profit, I was telling a friend about all the things going on. ( lots of drama) She said what?? You must be kidding me. Isn’t everyone there for the same reason? To do good and carry out the mission? I laughed & said well, that is true but everyone has a different idea and vision of how to get there.
David’s fan base is so dedicated and invested in his success.
Many of us have never been in this place. Even though there are strong opinions, I have to believe that so many people so invested, emotionally and financially, is a good thing. As he grows it may even get worse. There is just something about David that draws us in and keeps us invovled. Lots of energy to me is a good sign. When people stop caring, well that will be trouble.
Although most of the people here are good natured and have things in perspective, there are a few that tend to miscontrue and distort well meaning ideas and views. They think that they have a “higher” love and understanding of David, and also think that “worry” is the ultimate manifestation of devotion and concern. How mere “fans” think that they have some sort of knowledge of how an artist should be managed and promoted, and,as a result of that, think that they “know better” how to do it has both amazed and amused me.
Can I just say .. that that was kind of not nice. I tend to think the general population here.. is of the latter you describe.
When people stop caring, well that will be trouble. <– I agree rae … and I am that of the ultimate manifestation .. but if I stop caring.. you’ll be the first to know
And even all those worrying about him like little mommas…
One thing David will never have to worry about is being homeless. When I started in my career I met a few “older” ladies who worried about being bag ladies. I was 20 something and I was what? Well as I have aged, seen people lose jobs and careers, I have a new appreication for that fear.
David will so be successful and many will worry him along the way, but hey, he will never be homeless. There are people all over the world who have been touched by him and no matter what happens he will always have a place to go.
Angelica. if you don’t like my comments, leave the thread. I will continue to comment as I see fit as long as the issues I raise are reasonable and go unanswered. Some of you have trouble with any kind of disagreement–I can’t help that. In fact some light HAS been shed on the issues I’ve raised for the upteenth time. It’s becoming clearer and clearer that the only answer to why David’s on the present tour is that the money is good and David’s having fun. Fine–but it’s still a lousy answer and I have every right to point this out.
Excuse me, praepos, but it is not your privilege to tell someone to leave the thread. You are welcome to comment here as long as you are respectful.
Dawn, the last I heard this was a fan site, not a forum for those who share the views of those surrounding David. Some resent the views of some fans because they cause disagreement. That’s too bad since all have an equal right to be heard. NONE have the right to censor the views of those with whom they disagree merely because it makes them uncomfortable or leads to unpleasantness.
I’m in the boat with those who are just thrilled to be able to go hear David live and don’t care who he’s touring with or how deep the material is he’s performing. He’s a gift and I feel sooo much better after I listen to him. There has never, ever been a shred of doubt in my mind that David will be a permanent star in the musical galaxy, one way or another. I’m a patient fan and however the path may meander, I’ll be taking that journey with him. It’s so special meeting great people along the way and listening to music he’s suggested that I surely would have missed. Hello Owl City! Since I’ve been traveling a lot lately I ask every young person I see hooked to their iPod who they’re listening to and get into conversation about it. (I’ve just learned about AugustBurnsRed, a metal band.) David has brought me into this musical light and I thank him. I love the post, Happy. Dylan can still speak to us all. Heck, I listen to the JoBro too. It’s all fun for me. BTW welcome again Richard. see you back here?
Angelica will do NO such thing..
rae.. I agree.. David will never be homeless.. but it’s a mom thing I guess… having kids.. opens up a whole new side to you … I never worried about anything.. having children.. and beautiful lovely grandchildren… has fine tuned my skill
I am sitting on my hands.. putting myself on time out .. for the good of all mankind.. and womankind too
There are many amazing people working on David’s Christmas album. David is lucky to have them. Richard thanks for your amazing talent! I know first hand how talented he is as well as everyone else working on it. Wow why is everyone complaining? Let’s be happy that is in the works?
I was at a VIP several days ago. Talked to David myself about attending the Teen Choice Awards. Don’t feel like I want to say exactly what he said. But I think it just might be his decision. I don’t think he turned down an opportunity to perform either!!
David doesn’t have a single to release to radio right now. Several artists don’t either. Just cut Jive and Azoff some slack. You act like they want David to fail. I think releasing another song just the sake of releasing a song, that isn’t going to make the grade would be a mistake. Wait until the next album and hopefully there will be another hit!!! Radio is ever changing and what is popular is ever changing!
Praepos, I think you thrive on being negative. I have read this site from the beginning and don’t think you will ever be happy. Been to the David/Demi concerts. Lots of people there. Lots of new fans made. All ages represented. Let’s be glad he is touring and making new fans. Its all good!
#62 Angelica thanks for saying what we feel!!
Love your comments and especially after you come back from a concert. It is very fun to feel your excitement.
Sorry for barging in but I couldn’t take it one more minute with speaking up!
Dawn, the last post, though addressed to you, was not in disagreement with you. I may not have made that clear.
praepos #102: There is a difference between disagreeing and simply being disagreeable. Please find a way to contribute to our community here in a positive way.
linn, you couldn’t be more wrong. I’m not being negative just to be negative. I’m being negative because there’s a level of frustration among many fans that is not being addressed by David’s management. That’s not me, that’s the objective situation right now.
Praepos, I dont’ think they made a mistake in this tour. The young fans will stick with him for a long time. Yes us older fans spend lots of money going to concerts and buying cds, but I want him to have younger fans. I looked around the venues and saw all the people there and thought to myself, how many artist would kill to sing to this many people?
Sorry, I don’t think all David fans are frustrated with everything. Is it perfect? No But life usually isn’t.
I just want to go on record right now.. and say .. openly .. that my TDC family.. means a lot to me. I believe in all my heart.. that we are a very unique and diverse bunch of folks. I’d also like to believe we all bring some of that uniqueness to the table.
I am not a fan of having to defend the nature of my posts.. and that’s why I have not, and will not do so. This is where I live.. and I’ve always been free to say what’s on my mind.. and have never really felt rejected for it .. so I won’t temper who I am .. or change the dynamic from which I post.
I am offended.. that a resident.. would shed such negative light on our community here.. and I am NOT a fan right now.
I tried to shed a positive light on our family.. and when someone posts negative stuff…. about our residents…it really hits a nerve with me.
I love you .. one and all.. but I’m not going to let someone make backhanded digs … I don’t roll that way.. and never will.
Sorry to intrude. Won’t be back! Just thought I would shed some light from someone that had information! Love all David fans.
I can’t wait – only a half hour until the cellcast comes on. I was just thinking of when David sings YOU CAN and sings the line “show me that good things come to those who wait”. He sings this like he really believes it and means it (well, everything he sings like this) but, I just meant I feel David will succeed in the music industry because he is just too good of a singer/performer and human being not too. It may just take longer than we’d like…but so far, I think he’s doing GREAT since American Idol and is gaining more and more fans each day he is on tour. He just keeps getting better and better at performing. He is the most exciting performer to watch on STAGE!!
Little Plastic Box
It will be epic, that’s what we’re told
By one who should know, Mr. Bestor
We’ll need tissues even without a cold
Says Richard, a Salt Lake nester.
“Just wait” he says, “you’ll see what I mean”
When addressing the grown-ups with ODD
Tho’ Santa will come to every kid and teen
David’s gift to all will be a glorious CD.
How can we wait ‘cause we know it will be
Like nothing we have ever heard before
How soon can we buy one or twenty-three
Rich says “three point five or maybe four”.
Three point five or maybe four? Months you say?
Worth the wait because it’s our own man/boy,
Gives us time to think of a name to display
My vote goes for simple, just one word “JOY”.
Another tree fell in the woods ………
Abrra
Hi All. I’ve been out all day and am just checking in. Thanks for the comments on the post, and wow what a thread….
Attending the 2 concerts back to back left quite an impression, as did the professionalism and spectacle of the JoBros show.
As you can tell, I was particularly struck by the comparison. They could not have been more opposite. In every way opposite; except that they both pleased their crowd.
Btw- Dawn…what the hell is wrong with you? Are you deaf?… you don’t like Dylan? And what about Rembrandt? Are his paintings to dark for you?…..bwhahahahhhaha
praepos @ #100
geez, sorry but Angelica is here to stay thank you….
linn, then why get personal? You apparently disagree with me. That’s fine. So is your argument. But I have arguments that oppose your view. That should be fine as well. What’s not fine is to simply ascribe negative motives to me because you happen to disagree.
Abrra.. TIMBERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR ROFL
Happy .. I knew you wouldn’t be happy Happy.. but I can not tell a lie… Not a fan of Bob..
I also don’t like ALL of David’s suggestions either… so don’t take it to heart.. usually when he says jump.. I wonder if I’m jumping high enough… never question why.
Rembrandt .. I’m not really into visual still life type of art.. I fancy the kind that wiggle on stage ..
hahahahahahahahahaa
linn #112: Hey, you are welcome here! No one “intrudes” here, we just jump in and swim the best we can.
linn590: “David doesn’t have a single to release to radio right now. Several artists don’t either. Just cut Jive and Azoff some slack. You act like they want David to fail.”
David had a single released – ALTNOY – and it got almost NO promotion. And there are several songs on David’s current CD that could be great singles. What happened to TMH? Where was the promotion for that? And how about Zero Gravity? The fan pack was released and the only place you heard about it was from David himself!
It’s not that I think Jive and Azoff want David to fail, I think they just don’t want to invest much money in helping David be successful. If I remember correctly, Crush was promoted quite well, and look at the sales for that.
The tour is a done deal, I agree. And I’m attending three of these concerts, so it sure isn’t making me stay home. (And just a quick aside to Richard, Jive isn’t the only one investing in David. Some people here are spending a lot of money to support David – not complaining, just sayin’).
But as long as David is appearing in a concert promoted to tweens, it will be hard for some people to take him as seriously as we would like him to be, and some people won’t ever see him that way. The friend I took to the concert last night commented on the “little urchins” (she has no kids, I had to smack her LOL) And then she saw David perform and asked why he was touring and opening for Demi, who has a kids show on TV, right? A wholly innocent question, but one I couldn’t answer.
steno .. thank you for the limerick
I personally have no doubt the Christmas CD will be epic.
David could sing 12 different renditions of Silent Night.. and I would personally not complain.
In all seriousness.. it’s Christmas songs.. and David’s voice.. that thing couldn’t fail if we needed it to.
David’s career is on a standstill?
Let me see: He is working on 2 albums, is on a tour – the type of which may not be what we want for him, but he is out there getting good reviews and at the very least, getting some space time online and in newspapers. He is meeting fans with his M&Gs, converting new fans on the floor from Demi’s tour and even has managed to come up with a number of solo tours for this summer.
From those 2 albums you can expect promo, TV guestings, radio interviews, tours, airplays. We may never be satisfied with the level of support he is getting from his management and label but I wonder how many singers and bands – veterans and new – can claim the same level of activity that David has, in this very trying times in the industry?
The young man is working his butt off and the state his various efforts have placed him is characterized as standstill.
Oh btw, he is only been in this industry what? a little over a year?
Standstill? Geesh
Liz, What was disagreeable? Enlighten me. I think I’ve been pretty polite.
liz .. we just jump in and swim the best we can. .. and we have floaties !!!! and xaris has a life vest .. and happy has brownies… all we need is love.. da da dadada..
Hello, I’ve never posted here before or the previous site mainly because of some of the posts I’ve seen here today. Praepus, excuse me, I dont think its fair for you to second guess Richards movtives coming over here. He heard there were questions & frankly people saying some pretty bad things without even knowing the man. Richard has put alot of work into this, but there are other producers working on the album, for instance Kurt Bester. Richard, from all I have heard & talking to him on the site to, is a really good man. If it is true David turned down an offer to perform on TCA, what if it was David who didnt want to disappoint the fans who have planned for awhile now to go to see him. To honor his committment. Do I agree with everything Jive has done, no. But I do have faith in David. He is not made of glass with no spine, he is fully capable of putting his foot down when needed. He has his own thoughts & ideas & have no doubt that we will stand up for them with great strength & determination. What Jeff thought of the previous site, I wouldnt know, because I am not a friend of the Archuleta’s, but there were posts there that if I were him I wouldnt of liked either. Not all of you, just some. I just couldnt keep quite anymore, I’m tired of all the conspiriacy theorys & gossip that float around without first knowing facts. I am very grateful for all of the great fans David has here & other sites. I just hope everyone calms down & gives those working with David a chance. Try to think the best of people, I know David does, & I’m going to try to do that more. I am going to lurk more on this site to give it another chance. There are some very clever things posted here & I hope that everyone can debate different subjects while showing respect & common decency to eachother & those we all choose to talk about when discussing Davids career. Oh my heck, sorry for the length & some of the tone, but sometimes you just have to say something, even if you’re not the best writer. Anyway, thank you for your time. Sorry, this comment is going off the comments I read on the previous post. Someone was kind enough to let me know I put this on the wrong post. I will read the other comments on this post this evening.
marlie .. Some people here are spending a lot of money to support David – not complaining, just sayin ….
you ain’t whistlin dixie sistah
Remember when David wore the church slacks? So cute! And the singing ain’t bad either
jack–how many albums have been sold lately? How much promotion has he had in recent months? Where’s that third single?
praepos #109 “linn, you couldn’t be more wrong.”
Okay, praepos, please tell me you don’t communicate with people in your workplace that way. There are many opinions flying here tonight, and most everyone has been really cool about how they state their case…but THAT was out of line. If you want to debate a point, debate the point. Don’t smack the person up the side of the head to weaken them before you go for the jugular.
LittleM .. thank you too for trying to lighten up the joint… you know how it gets around here. we have passion.. and we’ve had some tension.. so apparently.. it’s let off steam time… I’m making popcorn..would you like some?
Abrra is looking for a chainsaw…
Happy is mad cause I don’t like Bob …
Marlie is minding my bank account…
SF is in heaven right now.. ooohh man I can’t wait for her recap.
stenocruiser #114 WOW! That was fantastic! Very cute!
skyblue, I didn’t attack Richard personally. I argued David needs more professional management. I think that was a fair statement. Richard argued he was working his butt off. I’m sure he is. But that should be irrelevant. Richard’s still a relative amateur in the industry. So is David–but that’s precisely why he needs more professional people around him. I’m just not buying Richard’s argument–that doesn’t mean I don’t think he’s a nice guy. As I said–it’s not about him–or me.
Jive doesn’t feel like there is a good third single on the album. Heard it from someone myself. Thought it would be better to wait for the next album. David went to many radio stations to promote ALTNOY. It just was requested and received as well as Crush. That is the reality. It didn’t make it at top 40 and was set to be released to AC stations, but Jive thought it was best to pull it from the scheduled release date.
Not saying it was the right thing to do, but that is the facts!
And apparently the bouncers in Pickburgh are really mean.
marlie, you think I smacked somebody aside the head because I said he/she couldn’t be more wrong–about some motive ascribed to me? What kind of thinking is that? I should be the best judge of my own motives, don’t you suppose? The attacks are coming hot and heavy on me personally–yet you don’t think I should be allowed to say they are wrong-headed? Who’d be in a better position to know, if not me?
JR #123 “From those 2 albums you can expect promo, TV guestings, radio interviews, tours, airplays. ”
Ahhh, that is the question. Can we expect that? I guess we’ll all have to wait and see how much promotion Jive does for the next CD.
Dawn65: “In all seriousness.. it’s Christmas songs.. and David’s voice.. that thing couldn’t fail if we needed it to.”
So true! Unless it isn’t promoted and no one but the fan base knows it is even released.
I can’t believe I’m saying it.. but I gotta call ‘em like I see ‘em.. I’m with praepos.. I think David should have the best of the best seasoned professionals surrounding him. Whomever doesn’t wish that.. doesn’t really have his best interest at heart. Why WOULDN’T you want that for him?
As for damage control??? I don’t think that’s what that was.. and really .. there’s no such thing here. I don’t think David himself could change the tune around here.
I also believe it was David that turned down TCA .. I wish I’d known he wasn’t interested before I sent like.. a gazillion tweets to them.. I feel like a dumb@ss now. LOL
Dawn, I would LOVE some delicious popcorn!!!
Hey, I can’t blame anyone for the heated debate. I’ve joined in a few myself at times. But, I’ve just had a really long day. And we all love David right? Sometimes it’s good to restore some positive chi energy
Hi Linn – Welcome!
In your last post – did you mean to say it was not requested or as well received as Crush?
Stenocruiser – Great Limerick!
Marlie.. I think it will do well.. in SPITE of Jive not promoting it. We’ve all read up on Jive.. they are notoriously .. “frugal” .. they do not buy into the theory that you have to spend money to make money.
The fanbase has gotten him pretty far.. I think we are better than all boy band fans.. EVER
LittleM – sorry for the negativity. this isn’t fun. Can’t wait to hear what silverfox has to say about the concert.
Joymous, sorry for the typo. Yes it was NOT requested or as well received as Crush. I think the song is amazing!! I really do.
linn, then given the facts about the third single, do you now agree with me his career is at a standstill? Am I missing something? Is he appearing on Saturday Night Live perhaps in lieu of this? Or maybe selling 20,000 albums every week? No? Then how is he making progress? I know he’s having a ball and making money–but what about his actual career?
oh LittleM .. I will send some popcorn over.. try as you may.. to restore the positive chi.. the balance here is a little off center right now.
Sometimes you just gotta let them all duke it out.. kiss and make up.. and sit around the camp fire singing kumbaya
I will forever go down in history.. thinking BARRIERS should have been the second single. Call me silly.. but I think it would have done fantastic.
ohhh.. that’s an idea.. we should list are order of preference … of the debut CD ..
believe it or not.. Crush would not be my first choice.. LOL.
I love Crush.. but not as much as Barriers.. or YEDL .. gah .. and I would have voted to remove Running and Desperate to be replaced with WFM and WFY.
See how easy it is to state your opinion in a nonthreatening way
Little M- just love seeing the church pants performance again. still gives me chills. Interesting to see now how his movement and presentation skills have skyrocketed, but the voice? well the voice is pure magic.
PICKSBURGH has started
Oh I also forgot to add, last time I checked this was a public forum so everyone and anyone is welcome to drop by, lurk and comment (at your peril – hahaha!). UNLESS, the owner of this blog says so otherwise. So RICHARD welcome aboard!
Have to leave for a board meeting for now. By the time I come back I will be keeping track of SF’s whereabouts – tee-hee
Have a great night/day, y’all!
Dawn and Marley — Thanks, just thought we needed a little levity.
stenocruiser…that’s was good.
dawn…sorry I thought maybe another concert …lol
Hi skyblue and linn590
Abrra…were chopping down trees?
How can he be on Saturday Night Live right now? When he releases a new album with a new single then he should be everywhere and I will request and buy my guts out. We have to be patient!
dawn65 everyone LOVES Barriers and YEDL. Becky and Jenny on FOD thing YEDL was a definite missed opportunity! Hate to admit it, but I LOVE Running! I think there is only a handful of us! LOL
praepos #136 Oh, geez, I am sorry, but I had to laugh at your post (and not in a good way). You totally missed my point. The point was in your choice of words, your tone, and the direct attack on THE PERSON, rather than the IDEA. Debate is about the topic, not about telling the person they are “wrong-headed”.
If you were responding to something said about you personally, then I suppose you get to defend it, but I couldn’t tell in this fast-moving thread what you were responding to. Perhaps you should quote what you are referring to so people know what you are talking about to prevent confusion in the future.
oooh Barriers…dawn I agree with you 100% on that one. Would have loved for Barriers to have been the second single. I also love that crazy Your Eyes Don’t Lie! helllo…helllo
River – I have no doubt that had David coupled his vocal performances with the stage presence he has acquired – he would have won American Idol. That being said, I prefer his learning on the fly – a much more exciting prospect to watch.
Where is that crazy Jello?? She could help lighten the mood! Paging Jello…
Dawn64 #138 I also agree with you and praepos about professional management.
“As for damage control??? I don’t think that’s what that was.. and really .. there’s no such thing here.”
Bwahahahahha. This is a site where most everyone has enough life experience not to fall into starry-eyed submission with a few sweet words (except from David, of course).
So far at Pittsburgh David has sung: TMH, Barriers, ALTNOY, SOT, YEDL
Joymus- you are so right. The big thrill for me has been to be able to witness the Journey. I would not trade any of my Idol tour performances, or solo tours or Del Mar or PC Richards for anything. It makes the prospect of what I’ll see at the next one (Providence) all the more exciting. I have to admit some of the recent videos are sort of blowing my circuits. Got to keep up, got to keep up.
Dawn I totally agree, I would replace Desperate and Running with WFY and WFM! Not that I don’t like Running, Linn, but I feel like WFY and WFM are more “David.” Both “Running” and “My Hands” sound like they are written for older performers to me -like, a better fit for a John Legend type. “Desperate” just doesn’t sound like David to me. I do love the live version of “My Hands”
Can we add “Save the Day” and the Japanese Crush remix to this new album????
Oh man. SOT… one of my heart dagger favorites. Lucky lucky SF.
oooh awesome set list!
praepos, I would LOVE it if David could sell 20,000 a week. But that is not reality for most artists right now. (except the biggies with new CD’s out) I am shocked at actually how few some of the big artists are selling right now. He is prob at about 3,000 or less a week. Wish is was more!!!
joymus.. learning on the fly .. I like it.
On first listen .. Barriers was my most fav fav fav .. and I am a fan of WFY .. gosh I love that song.. but Barriers.. I like the CD version better.. throw all the crap you want at me… but I think the background tracks David laid down.. to harmonize with himself for the melody.. are freaking GENIUS … LOVE IT .. and the same thing with YEDL.. again.. the background tracks on that are amazing. Live .. doesn’t really do them justice.
WFY .. LIVE ALL THE WAY .. oh my goodness. I could watch him perform WFY live every day.. oh wait.. I do .. thank you YouTube Gods
I love Running…and Desperate. I can’t imagine what David would do with Desperate LIVE. But then, I have changed my mind on quite a few of his songs once I’ve seen the live performance. He can sing Happy Birthday LIVE and I’m giddy.
ooh… while we’re doing comparisons…
DON’T LET GO .. LIVE LIVE LIVE LIVE LIVE .. dead dead dead dead
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Not a fan of it on the CD .. but LIVE… THUD
sorry .. running and desperate are on the bottom of my list. I don’t like the way either starts… somewhere in the bridge they get good .. but sorry .. whereas.. WFY.. grabs you from the jump.. as does WFM.. but I also loved Falling.. oh Jive.. you silly silly foolish folk.
praepus, Just because someone may be a bit newer in the biz, doesnt mean they arent the right person for the job. Richard said he & David have been talking about doing this album for at least 4 years. They must have a really good idea what they want to do & may have to fight Jive a little, but David said he wants a classis album & think he will fight like crazy to have it the way he wants it. But like I said, there are other producers working on this album. I also think we will see David on every show out there singing Christmas songs. If not, then I will be livid, to say the least,lol. I didnt like them releasing Altnoy & video, but real no promotion for it. Its a tough biz for many right now with the economy, so I’m going to see what happens with the Christmas album & the 2nd pop album to see how things are played. I believe Richard to be an honest & sincere man & he is closer to whats going on than we are, so I’m going with what he’s saying right now. I dont know Richard personally, but from what I’ve seen & heard, I’m very happy he is in David’s corner. Ah, even when David sounds like he’s singing under water during the cellcast, he still sounds better than most,lol.
ok…you want levity? and you want to make money for your act?… remember the Southpark with Mickey talking about the posters with “little girls reaching for the Jobros’ junk?”… later in the episode the MC brings out hoses and says ” “Do you girls like the Jonas Brothers hot white foam all over your faces?!” …and the girls get sprayed. I thought that they were spoofing to make a point…but I found out it is really part of their show…. Disney porn….view at your own peril
dawn- how about Monet?
David needs his own fire department too… because apparently he is again on FIRE ..
Like the day will come… when someone will tweet.. I am watching David live.. he is not on Fire… he is a mere ember.. his heart isn’t in it tonight.. oh fail..seriously … LOL.
I will remember when I tweetcast not to use on Fire.. I will use smoldering
I like it … hahahahaha
I would love to hear him sing Let Me Go live someday. It’s a cool song, and he shows a different side in it – a fiesty, rebellious side. I don’t always listen to this one, but once in a while it’s great!
UPDATE: TMH, Barriers, ALTNOY, SOT, YEDL, My Hands, You Can
He’s blowing the roof off tonight! Unbelievable screams!
LOL Happy!!!!!!!!!
Happy- I heard via Jordin tweets that they were having silly string battles backstage but this takes it to a new absurd level. I’m still waiting for them to learn how to sing. I’ve only heard one passable performance. Minor league.
More update: TMH, Barriers, ALTNOY, SOT, YEDL, My Hands, You Can, WFM, DLG
Red and black plaid shirt, black jeans and black sneakers
Skyblue – Yesterday,I said the very same to Richard upfront that we were speculating about his contribtion because we did not know of him or his body of work, plus the fact he had never visited our site and thus did not know us as a community. He did not take offense at the time because it was true. The proof is in the pudding cause I then said – the CD will put an end to it good or bad. And yes, even underwater – David sounds wonderful. The tone and timbre of his voice is other-worldly.
skyblue “I believe Richard to be an honest & sincere man & he is closer to whats going on than we are, so I’m going with what he’s saying right now. I dont know Richard personally, but from what I’ve seen & heard, I’m very happy he is in David’s corner.”
that’s great..
I don’t subscribe to who is or isn’t closer.. because David will do his best.. to get what he wants out of this CD ..and I trust him will all I have.
But bottom line.. is Jive.. has the final call folks.. as long as he’s under that contract…there is no higher power.. not even David.
Jive is a business.. first and foremost .. and even if their “intent” is to do right by David… I can promise you.. they’ll do what is right by THEM first. If the day ever comes.. that David stops generating revenue for them.. they will drop him like yesterday’s news.. make no mistake.. so his best interest.. really won’t matter then. JUST sayin
oooh LittleM.. as long as we’re creating wishlists.. I want David to rerecord Don’t Tell Me !!!!
GAH !!!
dawn- did you say “fire?” Maybe that’s why the Jo Bros bring their extra long hoses, they are really firemen.
river- they’re show was great, it was definitely major league and their voices were sort of irrelevant. I don’t think anyone is professing that the JoBros are about their voices….
littleM- glad you liked it, lol.
Happy – I also though the episode on South Park was pure spoof. WOW – David with one truly working vocal cord versus three brothers and a carnival to make entertainment. Amazing!
Happy .. LOL @ Disneyporn .. that’s your funny for the night.
Monet .. noway.
when you think of my tastes.. think.. Bizet .. and all them other cool folk.
I twittered with Yanni for crying out loud .. LOL.
Well, we are all hacks and idiots. Demi Lovato’s album is #1 on iTunes. Promotion, promotion, promotion.
Dawn – simultaneous posts at 9:41, same topic. Separated at birth? lol!
Posting this for happy (who probably knew about it weeks ago LOL)
http://www.livedaily.com/news/19741.html
The JB is definately not about the voice.. there is a God ..because they’d fail horribly.. but they have an appeal .. and the Disney smoke and mirror..horse and pony show don’t hurt either.
To be honest.. I don’t think I’ve ever heard a single thing they sang.. LOL. But I’ve heard demetria give it her best effort. Where’s Mariah .. she does a GREAT Twinkle Twinkle.. maybe she can headline next year .. hahahahahahaha .. and no.. not Carey.. more of of the gorgeous little brunette that runs around my house kind.
More update: TMH, Barriers, ALTNOY, SOT, YEDL, My Hands, You Can, WFM, DLG, WFY, TBWY (crowd is listening more quietly to this one)
Marlie – Did David sign with the wrong label after all? DANG IT! And we’re supposed to be content with whatever Richard tells us about Jive. He better wake up and smell the coffee – MY Gosh!
joymus.. I LOVE cross posting !!!!
marlie.. is it your turn to pee in my cornflakes ??
can we just pretend .. for a second.. that it doesn’t matter.. that Jive really cares ..
hahahahahahahahahaha
come on.. take one for the team
Is David singing the entire CD tonight ?
Yes Happy I will agree JoBros are good entertainers and I think Nick is multi talented. I’ve just found some TV performances painful. Anyhoo.. back to Picksburg. Blowing doors off I hear.
Joymus: Just think of all those moms and dads typing in their credit card numbers to buy Demi’s CD for little Mary’s iPod. Well, at least we know they can’t GIFT the darned things. Mom and dad would likely not go along with them buying TEN COPIES and sending them to all their friends. Sigh. I’m whining in a passive aggressive way. LOL
Remember when we used to call David Love Nugget? ;D
Dawn65: Oh, okay, I’ll shut up. After all, there is a solo concert tonight
praepos – I don’t disagree with everything you say. You have made some very valid points. You said to me, “Some of you have trouble with any kind of disagreement.” If that were true of me, I would not be a devoted member of this site.
I just would love to hear something else from you. All the meat has been chewed off that bone. Do you have anything else to say? I ask this not sarcastically, but with respect for someone who obviously cares about David, as do we all.
Oh, and I’m not going anywhere. For that I should give you my famous retort, “Bite me.” But I’m afraid there would be nothing left of me when you were done chewing me up.
Just kidding.
C’mon, give us a little smile and lighten up dude!
joymus, lol. I love the cellcasts. Some are clearer than others, but you still can get the feel of a concert. The fans reaction & how he responds with his performance, I love it. I appreciate what your saying, I just think we have to give some people the benefit of the doubt, thats all.
Dawn05, Thank You. I know Jive has the final say & they have to watch the bottom line, but I think you have to spend money in order to make money. LOL, easy for me to spend Jive’s money,ha,ha. Ultimately, I think whats good for David is good for them. I think, in part, they do care about David. Like I said & you have said, we will have to wait & see. I for one, can hardly wait for the Christmas CD, I just have a feeling its going to be beyond belief. Just a feeling.
Just wait till Praepos sees this – lol!
I hesitate to ask but where does David’s cd fall? While he’s merely “winning over new fans” Demi’s stockpiling it to the bank. Glad to see somebody’s benefitting.
Whistling….show me that good things come to those who wait.
Angleica: “Oh, and I’m not going anywhere. For that I should give you my famous retort, “Bite me.”
Bwahahahahahhaha. You better not be going anywhere – I’d miss you!
marlie- I love you. I have had to make the hard choices…unlike Dawn I do not have unlimited resources in my concert fund. I decided to buy the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame concert day 1 at MSG and forgo the special Chicago and the Philly add-ons. (I actually learned about the Philly add-ons when I was at the JoBros in Philly, lol..promotion FTW)…
Marlie, as long as I’m being called negative, I may as well own up to the whole truth–which is that I think the Utah team behind David has not only not been very helpful, I think it’s been a serious hindrance to David’s success. I defy anyone to argue that Jeff, in particular, has not been very bad news. So yes, in that sense I’m negative, very much so. These people just don’t appreciate the real situation–nor do most fans tell the truth about it, eager as they are to please those surrounding their boy. Nor do I think the Christmas album will make any sort of difference in terms of the mainstream acceptance of David, particularly after this Disney gig. It’s true we don’t have the whole picture of what the present strategy may be–but we know enough to see that quick money is driving a lot of this, rather than long-term prospects for success.
And when the tour is done.. I think David should go to fall camp.. he should live with JC for awhile.. and then set up housekeeping with David Hodges.. and make a stay with Regina Spektor.. so he can learn from the best.. he can’t stay with Ryan Tedder though..because he is a double dipper.. bad Ryan Tedder… 40 lashes for turning out the same tune for two different artists.
I do know Richard and I can honestly say that he is a person of Integrity. I don’t know what is needed for the technical side of an album, but I know Richard is the kind of person I want working with David and being around David. I have heard Richard accompany David and when he does there is something really special there. He understands David’s voice, when to come in and when to back off. I have heard David accompanied by someone else and the same chemistry was not there. David’s voice is beautiful and does not need to be overproduced. I am hoping that Richard’s experience playing for him at Christmas programs and other functions in the past will give him an advantage in knowing and understanding David’s talent and what to do to showcase it in the best way possible. As I see it, his input could be invaluable and he may have insight that can truly help in this process. Richard truly cares about David. Somehow I think that it is good to have someone’s input that cares about you and understands you. Another fact to consider, David cares about Richard.
It is easy to stand back and judge, but in this case negativity can’t help, and does create a distasteful feeling where there should be joy that this project is happening. Oh my Holy Heck, we will be able to hear David’s voice soar and feed our souls as he sings Christmas music! It gives me chills just thinking of putting that cd in my cd player for the very first time.
I have posted before but mostly I just read your usually wonderful and intelligent comments. Thanks for letting me say my two bits. Claudia
More: TMH, Barriers, ALTNOY, SOT, YEDL, My Hands, You Can, WFM, DLG, SBM, ZG, Crush
Well David fans.. lights out here. Have to get up early to see if anyone sneaked a vid out of the concert. Been a fun night, what??
Sorry, that should have been: TMH, Barriers, ALTNOY, SOT, YEDL, My Hands, You Can, WFM, DLG, WFY, TBWY, SBM, ZG, Crush
praepos.. time to accept a hard dose of what I like to call reality.. there’s a VERY good chance.. David will NEVER be mainstream. As for the rest of your post.. I’m going with MC Hammer and singing.. Can’t Touch This …
happy.. hahahaha… dawn can’t afford her impetuous spending habits when it comes to the boy .. so don’t even try it… but hey.. I did get to join demi’s fan club.. TWICE !!! That and a coupon will get me a whopper jr off the 99 cent menu at BK !!!!
Angelica.. you are .. just .. you are
Oh my heck, Bubbly
After the crowd went wild and screaming for encore, David comes out with a song he hasn’t done before “BUBBLY”. Sounds pretty darn good too.
There he goes again singing someone else’s song and stealing it forever.
Gah, David is singing BUBBLY???!??!?
cb .. point taken.
Let me say in the kindest of ways..I don’t care one way or the other. I seriously don’t mean that in a rude way. I don’t care if some unknown guy or girl walks into a studio and writes something for David that will take him places.
I’m pretty sure there are hundreds if not thousands of songwriters throwing stuff at him left and right.. having David sing something for them.. would be awesome.. heck.. I wish I had something to give him.
But in the end.. I don’t really care.. honestly.. I don’t know where everyone thinks we are bashing the Christmas CD .. we’re just as excited as the next person.
As for defending or offending anyone else (in this case Richard).. we try to stick with just David here .. we try very hard not to venture off into other places.. every now and then.. there will be a diversion.. but TDC .. has always been about David.. and just David.. as a matter of fact.. we used to be called JUSTDAVID…cause that’s all we really care about here.
Angelica, all the meat has been chewed off EVERY bone, not just the bone I chew on. Yes, David’s wonderful and all that, and yes the latest youtube clip is great, etc. How many times do we get to go around that sort of bone? In fact I’ve made additional points–they’re just not very well noted, but they’re far more relevant than still another version of Barriers. That said, it’s not just that I’m against the tour, I’m against what it’s done to undermine his acceptance in the mainstream. That’s something worthy of discussion, don’t you suppose? In the exchange with Richard I wondered how much thought went into this aspect of his career by management before David signed on the bottom line. Richard’s answer came down to this– not very much. That’s useful to know when we think about who’s giving him advice these days.
Second song of his encore: Angels
What an unbelievable concert. He is magic!
bubbly…
youtube… please…
I wonder what else he has in his bag of tricks.
praepos #199 I appreciate that you just posted your note with a focus on the topic – thank you. I’m going to respond to you and then stop for the night because I told Dawn that I would
I have mixed feelings about the people around David, no doubt about that. I don’t know them, and have certainly heard all sorts of things both good and bad. I do think THIS enormously talented young rising start should be guided by professionals and get the best advice from seasoned producers/song writers and others in the industry that he can.
I suspect that Jive, like Wall Street and most other companies with stockholders, is looking for next quarter’s profits. This is an issue that will kill this country one of these days. The quick buck, the short term, the tactical detail over the strategic vision. I am right there with you on that.
I’m gonna bet my money on that Christmas CD and hope to heck David gets radio play and tv shows and specials and talk shows.
I mean, imagine David singing BUBBLY!!!
Just take a look at the lyrics if you haven’t heard it…
Bubbly lyrics
Songwriters: Caillat, Colby; Reeves, Jason;
I’ve been awake for a while now
You’ve got me feelin’ like a child now
‘Cause every time I see your bubbly face
I get the tinglees in a silly place
It starts in my toes
And I crinkle my nose
Wherever it goes I always know
That you make me smile
Please stay for a while now
Just take your time
Wherever you go
The rain is fallin’ on my window pane
But we are hidin’ in a safer place
Under the covers stayin’ safe and warm
You give me feelings that I adore
They start in my toes
Make me crinkle my nose
Wherever it goes
I always know
That you make me smile
Please stay for a while now
Just take your time
Wherever you go
What am I gonna say
When you make me feel this way?
I just, mmm
It starts in my toes
Makes me crinkle my nose
Wherever it goes
I always know
That you make me smile
Please stay for a while now
Just take your time
Wherever you go
I?ve been asleep for a while now
You tucked me in just like a child now
‘Cause every time you hold me in your arms
I’m comfortable enough to feel your warmth
It starts in my soul
And I lose all control
When you kiss my nose
The feelin’ shows
‘Cause you make me smile
Baby just take your time now
Holdin’ me tight
Wherever, wherever, where ever you go
Wherever, wherever, where ever you go
Need videoooooo!!!!!!
Just a couple of observations from the shows I attended….
Demi’s crowd averaged about 8-10 years old. Some older, some younger. Lots of hair glitter. No trouble seeing the stage while I was sitting, the Lilliputians didn’t obstruct my view even when they were standing. Not a lot of cell phones in my way…Lilliputians were too young to really have mastered the youtube world. Contrary to some of the posters here, I am not of the mind that this audience was “about the music” any more than if they go to the library they are “about the literature.” They were playful kids, not art critics, and as such, were seemingly “about the entertainment.”
JoBro’s crowd was older, averaged more like 12-17. Some older, some younger. Lot’s of bras, not so much glitter. I had some trouble seeing over the teens and their phones. I am not of the mind that this audience was about the voices as much as they were about the screaming and the heart throbbing (and other throbbing.)
Dylan’s crowd was much older. (no Dawn though) Many more young people than you might imagine. No hair glitter. Nothing but music.
My internet has stayed up for the cellcast Now I IMAGINE maybe it will last while I catch up……….
Abrra
Little M – just looked at the words really closely. I guess he moved on from just having a Crush huh?
I am so disappointed in all of you …
… no love for My Hands as the next single????
Seriously though, as much as I LOVE MH, to me Desperate would have been a great single to release for September (darker days, back to work & school). When I first heard it, I thought he out-Cooked Cook in the rock department but now, the exquisite angst in David’s voice in that song makes me cry …
It would have shown another side of David, and a stark contrast with the next release for Christmas. But I am patient, as David says, good things come to those who wait….
*runs to find Bubbly vid*
CB Loved what you said.
Please, please keep in mind, David is no push over. He himself said he can be extremely stubborn when he wants to be & dont mistake kindness for weakness. David, I think, is an extremely strong man & will fight for what he believes in. Will he win every battle with Jive, ah, probably not. But when the contract is over with Jive, he will have many options open to him. Plenty of top notch labels would kill to have him on their label, that you can be sure of. With that I say goodnight.
cb: good point. Who among us would not want to work with people we trust who we feel knows and understands us. I would take my trusted managers over someone I don’t know with a much better resume, becasue at the end of thd day, there is security in knowing they have your back and will give 110%. I am big on loyality to those who have been there and gotten you through the tough times. Not the music buisness, just a real life analogy.
big on loyality but cannot spell.
Dawn, I’ve accepted the idea David may never be a mainstream star. What frustrates me is that he came very very close. With better management he might have been huge. It may still happen–but the likelihood is receding. I don’t see the fanbase growing by that much. In fact I see the same people going to the same shows over and over–with a few more thousands getting on board along the way. But David needs to appeal to millions and millions–and you can’t do this on a kiddie tour with no promotion whatsoever. Right now David’s getting the worst of both worlds–he’s perceived as Disney without having the Disney machine behind him. But maybe this is all for the better. Maybe David needs to take time out to go to college and deepen his knowledge about music and where he wants to take it in his life. I’d be fine with that–and I even hope he’ll find a soul mate along the way, start his own family, learn about life. It would all be to the good. He can always fill up the smaller venues with lifetime fans–till he’s ready to come back to the big time.
Dawn 65 Hmmm, You “just don’t care”? Don’t know quite how to take that. Like you don’t just don’t care about what I had to say? Well, I have read and cared about what you have written and I know you care about David and that is all that really matters to me. Thanks for commenting anyway cause that is a first for me here. Last time I was totally invisible which is ok too. lol
I take issue with this…. the “David can appeal to everyone” approach. I don’t buy into that strategy. I just don’t think art or entertainment work that way. (I don’t think even chocolate really appeals to everyone, some people are jelly candy people.) Generally speaking isn’t it necessary to “know your audience?” I’d like to see David’s art develop focus. That is one of the many advantages of the Christmas CD, it can have artistic focus.
re the age range at Demi’s concerts: The 6-12 year old Demi fans are there with parents in their 20s and 30s.
And just fyi, I don’t know about concerts, but Disney is very protective of their brand in movie theatres. No non-Disney trailers or ads are allowed to be shown before their films.
* still searching for Bubbly vid*
Goodnight Sky Blue
cb … no.. it’s not that I don’t care what you wrote … I didn’t mean to imply that at all.
I meant that in response to your post surrounding Richard.. maybe cause I’ve read a lot of posts about him.. from him in the last 24 hours. I guess what I was trying to say.. is that I don’t care one way or the other what he is doing in regards to David’s Christmas CD.
written word is tricky.. and I’m trying to be diplomatic..without coming off as rude. It would be easier in spoken word.. but this is what I have to work with right now.
I apologize if you found my post insensitive.
joymus – oh yeah – those words are something else
I cannot wait to see the video.
Anyone who listened to the cell cast, what kind of arrangement was it, could you tell? Was David on piano, on a stool, any idea?
But when the contract is over with Jive, he will have many options open to him.
from your lips to Gods ears I say !!!!
happy .. no matter how much you ain’t diggin me liking Dylan.. I aint gonna dig him..
but so much loved your analogy of the 3 fanbases in comparison… that was worth a double read… you tickle me with your colorful adjectives.
TOfan- do you think the majority of those parents who came caring and/or knowing little about David ended up thinking that David spoke to them in their “type” of music? I suspect it may have been more along the lines of, “That kid is really talented, great voice, powerful performer.” But does that translate into “new fans?” I have to agree with Praepos-the-curmudgeon on the gaining lots of new fans thing on this tour. “Exposure” maybe more so than really “new fans.” But I don’t think it was “new fans” that was the goal as much as it was maybe “new money.”
dawn- someday you will come into the light
dawn65, I wasn’t offended, just a little taken aback. Thanks for clarifying. The fact is, I enjoy what you write so, I feel some kinship towards you, even though I don’t really know you. Also, like I said, I KNOW you are a real supporter of David. I agree with what you said at the end, it ” has always been about David.. and just David.…cause that’s all we really care about here.”
I second that.
Happy, I can just imagine David singing Dylan’s “To Make You Feel My Love.” Ahhhh, I can hear it in my head. That would be incredible:)
I have to say in Praepo’s defense(sorry Praepos), despite all the fussing,wrangling and hissing, at the end of the day you mostly find yourself amazingly agreeing with his logic. LOL!
Despite the – its good experience for him, he’s making money and having fun, there is a cost to be counted.
It only remains to be seen what that is…
happy .. at my age? I don’t think so honey.. but you can keep dreaming.. me no likey the dyl.
cb.. I’m glad I didn’t offend you.. sometimes I get all excited and type faster than my mind works.. and I come off as brash.. never mean to be.. I’m actually a pretty shy person in real life..
but thank you for getting me .. it makes me feel better.
Yes CB, -David really should consider making an independent CD of covers. To Make You Feel My Love – top of the list.
TOfan, I agree. I’ve always been a big fan of Desperate for the reasons you give. The angst behind the song was genuine and the rendition vocally impressive. I also liked the playful YEDL. Both were far better choices than the lame ALTNOY imo. I hated ALTNOY from the minute I heard it–it was whiney and old-fashioned–though it pleased a lot of young girls. I said the switch was a huge mistake–and got clobbered for it by other posters on another site. Guess I was being too negative.
CB – CD Ai-ya-yai! haha
“Right now David’s getting the worst of both worlds–he’s perceived as Disney without having the Disney machine behind him.”
Interesting. Not saying I don’t agree, but both Demi and JoBros are Disney. Both have American Idol performers “opening” for them. ( has it been established if David is opening or special guesting?) Still they are not being showcased in the same manner, but neither are their headliners. JoBros is entirely top shelf and Jordan was given the royal treatment. Her set was short, 5-6 songs, but she was brought out during the JoBros’ encore in her dominatrix outfit to sing Love is a Battlefield with the JoBros singing her backup. I did wonder, if Disney is willing to let their headliner mix with the AI warmup, why haven’t David and Demi sung together. Maybe it was David’s maybe it was Demi’s decision not to.
Praepos – you mean they did not appreciate your charming personality?
Somebody please stop me here : Bebe, Beebee, CB, CD?
happy, I’ve just seen several people who commented at ticketmaster about the d/d concert saying that they were so impressed with David that soon as they got home they bought his cd & read today that she also gifted it to several people. So I think the people who are taking their kids to see Demi are noticing David & becoming fans, spending their money on him.
paepus, You sound pesimistic. I agree that promotion has been lacking to say the least. I think with better promotion, he would’ve sold twice as many cd’s. I do think that David is a legend in the making. I think he will be thought of as one of the top singers in the music biz soon and for years & years to come. Gosh, I thought I said goodnight, lol. This time I mean it,lol. Goodnight
CA…
Little M – I was going with the names of posters. I just threw in cd as I had just mentioned it. Is there a CA? Nah! I don’t think so.
oy boy! just headed over to mjs and a couple things caught my eye…one…one of David Cook’s band members is leaving…people will be going nuts over there! LOL
and two…this:
Also, David Cook, Adam Lambert and Kris Allen will be performing on August 7th in Central Park in NYC, as part of the ABC Good Morning America Summer Concert Series.
Why no David love here???
cb, joymus- now we are talking…. gah!!!!! must go post that in the Songs in the Key of David Series…
Dawn- their are only 67 versions of this song on itunes…so if you don’t like Bobby’s version of his own song, maybe you’d like one of these…. I know you’d fall over upon hearing David’s!
*off to add to the Songs Series list, will post after TOfan’s latest suggestion*
joymus- would it be a waste of a prayer to pray that David make a CD of ALL DYLAN covers?!! The lyrics and the melodies AND the voice…..I might never need to listen to another CD.
happy .. I know you’d fall over upon hearing David’s! .. I’d fall upon David singing Mary Had a Little Lamb.. not a good comparison .. hahahaha
skyblue242- I’m happy to hear that.
Happy – I do not know too many Dylan songs only a handful. Will definitely educate myself through YT and get back to you.
Adam Lambert is certainly being courted as a co-winner with Allen as opposed to runner-up. I suppose they feel it was only a fluke that he didn’t actually win.
Wow, I’ve been trying to catch up with this thread for like over an hour now. You’ve got to be a speed reader and typer to keep up with this.
So many good comments, so many things I want to say, so many replies I would like to make, but wouldn’t know where to start.
Just let me say that I pretty much agree with everything everyone has said. What seems controversial is really just a different way of saying things that doesn’t always come across the way we might intend it, thus misunderstandings. But I think we all want the same thing. The better than the best for David.
But what I really want to talk about is the music! Yeah. So glad to see comments made on that, because I could talk about that forever.
First, DAWN, again you crack me up. I don’t know where you come up with your antics (is that the right word?), but I love your words of wisdom and wonderful humor, or actually, your wonderful “dry wit”. Thanks for making me smile and laugh, like David.
Also, I am not a fan of Dylan either, sorry. Might be a great song writer, but I am all about the voice. Sorry he doesn’t have one. But I do love Neil Young, and many say he can’t sing either, but I beg to differ, I love him.
Ok, the biggest thing on here that really blew my mind was that David doesn’t have a single to put out right now? What is that all about???? Hello, I’m sorry, but I don’t think there is a bad song on his CD. Frankly, I don’t think there is any song on there that could not be a hit, IMO. Some are better than others, but come on. As much as I LOVE Crush and ALTNOY, I definately don’t think they are the best on there.
My top favorites: BARRIERS and YEDL, barring none. Both of those I think are better than the current singles. But take your pick. And why couldn’t a ballad be released. TBWY, You Can. Man the radio needs some ballads like that. And Desperate I totally agree would do great. Definately outCooks Cook’s rock songs. And again Let Me Go, Gaaaah, I love that song.
Yes, I’m with you again DAWN on loving the CD versions. I know some like the live versions better, but I don’t think they are better, just different versions. There’s things you can do on a CD that you can’t do live and vice versa. I love hearing David’s voice in the background and when he harmonizes himself much better than hearing Kendra. Like in Barriers and in YEDL, even Crush.
Yeah, I could go on all night about this. I can get very passionate about his music, and not hearing it on the radio or seeing it promoted makes me very ill because I don’t understand anyone saying he has no good singles to release, or that his current singles cannot be promoted. That is pure rubbish!
And we have to wait till his next CD to get a single. What?
happy, Adele sang it last night on Carson Daily and I sat there imagining what David could do vocally and stylistically with that song. Coincidence that you mentioned Dylan tonight!
Oh man, would I ever love a cd of covers. What would you all want on that?
David is asking for suggestions for covers to do of more current songs, at the meet and greets. What are good suggestions for that? Said he may use them for next year.
I would love to hear him sing…
Rush – Ferras
Hey There Delilah – Plain White Tee’s
New Shoes – Paolo Nutini
This Boy – The Beatles
San Andreas Fault – Natalie Merchant
Just the first few that came to mind…
cb .. we have a whole thread.. songs in the key of David.. check out the sidebar .
katsue.. you stop fangirling over me.. you are making me blush now .. LOL !!
j/k .. I’m glad I can lighten your day…
and YES.. Barriers and YEDL.. CD version FTW !!!!
cb252- covers is what the Songs in the Key of David series is all about. …maybe we can get suggestions rolling in again..
I’ll see if I can add one tonight Happy ..
oh..and any song by Gregory LeMarchal…in French
Happy # 169
I’m in a state of shock! WTH? Disney porn?!
That’s…I’m sorry, disgusting.
I have to go watch WFY to clean my palate!
OH WOW, the Key of David. Good stuff
Oh, and Dawn, your comment about soulful David, like his intro to Reno’s WFM. Whatever happened to that? Was that just a freak accident or is he purposely teasing and tantalizing us. I want more of that. That definitely needs to be recorded. I so want him to put out more soulful, bluesy, rhthymy songs, with a great beat too, again like YEDL and Let Me Go.
I would also die to hear him do a Latin album also. Can you imagine him on stage moving to a Latin beat and groove, salsa-like number? Move over Enrico and Ricky M. Just the thought of that sends me……
Going back and watching that Star Search performance of him doing Alicia Keys? Falling. Wow the soul that boy has and had at that age is beyond amazing. With the confidence and performance skills he has gained and with the soul that we know is in him, I would love to hear him sing “With You” live now. I bet Simon would be singing a different tune. He aint a puppy no more. He’s more of a tiger and got more soul than Chris Brown will ever have, IMO.
Rae #96,David’s fan base is so dedicated and invested in his success.
Many of us have never been in this place. Even though there are strong opinions, I have to believe that so many people so invested, emotionally and financially, is a good thing. As he grows it may even get worse. There is just something about David that draws us in and keeps us invovled. Lots of energy to me is a good sign. When people stop caring, well that will be trouble.
Very wise words.
Dawn65 #119, “Happy .. I knew you wouldn’t be happy Happy.. but I can not tell a lie… Not a fan of Bob..
“I also don’t like ALL of David’s suggestions either… ”
I also have never cared for Dylan and for some of David’s choices I’m like, “Uhm, is he serious?”
LittleM #128, I wanted to post that very video after Richard’s #31 post but wasn’t sure I would do it correctly. Thanks.
praepos #144 “linn, then given the facts about the third single, do you now agree with me his career is at a standstill? Am I missing something? Is he appearing on Saturday Night Live perhaps in lieu of this? Or maybe selling 20,000 albums every week? No? Then how is he making progress? I know he’s having a ball and making money–but what about his actual career?”
I don’t think David’s career is at a standstill, but I would agree that it is not moving as fast as we would like and not necessarily in the direction of our choice.
Who knew there was so much involved in being a fan! But David was on fire from what I could hear on the CCC.
Bubbly by David
When Dawn, Goboywonder, katsue and I go to the museum, I doubt we will all stand moved by the same piece, not even the same artist, that’s the way it goes. It’s not a question of quality but, that is not the end of the story, because some art IS brilliant and some art is crap, that too is the way it goes.
As for Bobby D. and David A… I understand that Bob’s voice and vocal styling does not appeal to everyone, and many people say, “He’s brilliant, but his music is not my thing.” For me… I love everything about him and his music. Believe it or not, I suspect there are people who will hear David’s music and feel, “He’s brilliant but, that music is not for me.” I just hope that the music they hear when they make that determination is the music that reflects David’s artistry and not music that represents some suit’s idea of his place in the pop world.
Happy, please forgive my oversight, there is just so much going on here. What came to my mind upon reading your post is that many would consider/agrue the JoBros to be more popular, sucessful than Dylan. While I don’t care for many of “today’s” artists, my daughter constantly tells me that is what is in now as I reach to change the radio dial. Yuck to the nth degree. But will they stand the test of time? I doubt it. I hope that when all the “dust” surrounding David has settled, that David will have moved closer towards the likes of Dylan.
Valbraz- thanks for the clip
“and for some of David’s choices I’m like, ‘Uhm, is he serious?’”…. that’s where I land on “Bubbly.” …….runs off ducking tomatoes…..
BUBBLY IS AMAZING .. I HAVE TO GO DIE NOW
Oh boy – someone unloaded on us on another site. Hard feelings all around. In a nutshell we are mean, nasty, disrespectful and more than anything negative. Sorry that poster feels that way about TDC.
I guess we will never truly be understood that our overall tone isn’t set in cement but mercurial in nature as the need arises. Too strong, too sweet, too strident, too ridiculous at times but always razor sharp.
Thank You to all who take the courage to post your thoughts and feelings openly. You really take a risk every, single time that what you say will either inspire or repel. But you go for broke all the same:)
My heavens, Bubbly — David singing those words, and with such feeeeeling, and his shirt unbuttoned like that. I’m speechless.
goboywonder264- ” What came to my mind upon reading your post is that many would consider/agrue the JoBros to be more popular, sucessful than Dylan.”…..
that would depend entirely on how one measures “success.”… and isn’t that the whole point?
dawn– first Dylan, now Bubbly…if we keep disagreeing will that mean that we have to break up?
Happy – #265 – I have to apologize profusely to David as I say that I agree with you. I loved the tone but not the range. His voice is made to soar but then again after singing 15 songs prior to that – its one to help his cords relax again.
joymus267- are you surprised?….. trouble for them is, whoever they are…we are mostly old folks who embrace who we are… hey, Dawn, you like Emerson? “to be great is to be misunderstood…” bwhahahaha
That was my knee-jerk reaction. I will need to play it a couple more times to accustom my ears.
now now joymus, don’t go backpeddling…you’re in my camp on this one….. care for a s’more?
Happy – I’ll say this much. It got better after a second listening but yeah as they say – it’s not him – he sang it well. To me it just didn’t suit his voice 100%
Joymus # 267,
Who’s us, who’s them, why can’t we be one, hold hands and sing Kumbaya?
I’m so tired of the bullies! Can we discuss David’s extra unbuttoned button instead? Maybe Bubbly is a hint and someone is in love?
Saw this tweet. Found it so sweet…
LnAFsn @DavidArchie: OMG David You were so amazing at the concert Btw the a in my username is archuleta lovatonarchuletafan:)Other than that OMG
16 minutes ago from web
This young one sounds like a true convert. Hope she buys the cd!
Happy – don’t the green and brown alternating avis look cool?
Boy – I’m sure loopy tonight. I was trying to wait up for SF but will go in soon.
Valbraz – I guess holding hands singing Kumbaya is out of the realm of possibility? Darn, I thought it would work for sure -lol!
Yes, he looked amazing with the unbuttoned shirt. I also loved this plaid combination. Love connection? IDK – its kinda hard to tell with David besides, I’m not good with in-love body language.
Happy #263: “When Dawn, Goboywonder, katsue and I go to the museum, I doubt we will all stand moved by the same piece, not even the same artist, that’s the way it goes. It’s not a question of quality but, that is not the end of the story, because some art IS brilliant and some art is crap, that too is the way it goes.”
Very true indeed. Actually, I do appreciate Dylan for his unique style and contributions, probably more than anyone else I know. Just like I appreciate Neil Young, Willie Nelson, and Roy Orbison, again not favorites of everyone. But yes, they have all stood the test of time and I believe are true artists in every sense of the word, where I truly believe David will eventually fall. The JoBros, not even worth mentioning in the same breath.
About the Bubbly song; that definately would not have been a song that I would have ever thought would be a song for David. Just didn’t seem to fit him even though I like the song. But again, he has blown me away, beyond my wildest dreams. No it’s not a song with amazing range, but OMG, the style, soul, passion and personalization that he puts into yet another song just boggles my mind, and yes he just stole another one for me. The original will never be the same now. Only David’s version will be good enough for me.
That “Bubbly” is fantastic. You keep going with your soulful pop, D.
How do I get THAT into my iTunes??????????
I love David’s soaring voice, crave it, can’t get enough of it, replay those big notes when I’m driving in my car. But, I also enjoy him singing Bubbly. I’ve always liked that song and even though there are no power notes, I Iove the tone of his voice singing that song. Would I be happy if he never sang the big notes? NO. Am I happy about hearing him sing “Bubbly” ? YESSSSSS!!!!!
joymus278- the coordinating avis do look cool…gives me an idea…maybe we should require all TDCers to have coordinating avis…. a little feng shui…. maybe others will like us more.
“hear ye, hear ye. tonight is proclaimed brown and green avi night on TDC. Unless your avi is predominantly brown or green you may not post anymore tonight, you are upsetting the calm… a heads up: tomorrow will be blue and white (for goboywonder)… you have 24 hours to prepare so don’t complain, just comply.”
sincerely,
the management (in charge of calm.)
PS- exception: I’ve decided Valbraz can keep the cat…cats are calm.
my problem with Bubbly is the interpretation…for me, it didn’t fit at all…oh well..
good night all. thanks for the fun.
Speaking of the JoBros, has anyone seen this? Wow, I knew I didn’t like them and that they cannot sing worth a crap, but this really proves it. Take away the studio, instruments and fluff, and what do you have?
See for yourself, you got to watch:
Ok, good night.
katsue6583 That is so true about art. I was an art major. I have gone to art fairs with friends and been in total disbelief about what they sometimes think is good. Of course those same people don’t understand what I like. I think this is why we as older fans, who have spent a lifetime listening to music and artists, recognize the greatness in David that maybe some less experienced listeners don’t yet fully appreciate. We know how rare talent like this is. The paradox here is that this music is coming from an 18 year! He is simply . . . . . brilliant.
Its called: David Archuleta or Jonas Brothers.
LOLOL OK, I take back all of my last post. I just watched that youtube vid comparing David and the Jonas Brothers. You don’t need ANY experience to know who is better.
I was just thinking…watching that video…David could make a mint by just recording an MP3 of “Happy Birthday” for individual fans. How much do you think people would pay for a personalized Happy Birthday MP3 from D? I’d buy one!!!
Happy # 284,
Thanks for trusting the cat! She’s about the only calm part of me today.
Joymus # 267
Don’t you think it is revealing that the guy dissing TDC at the other site is the same who paid us a visit today just to say he wouldn’t lurk here anymore because the unpleasantness was spoiling his lurking peace? And after quoting my rude ‘barging in’ to R – I admit I was rude, English being a foreign language to me – he proceeded to diss no other than SF. Sorry but there’s no ignoring this! What a piece of work, this fella! And I’m done being nice. Delete this post if you please, admins.
katsue6583 # 286
Thanks for the video.
Bwahahahahahah
I laughed so good I can finally go to sleep!
Nite all!
The VIP…there are no words!
The concert…there are no words!
YET, except to say…how long before the next one for me? A week? OH NO! That’s too long to wait!!
Have to get some sleep now, and for David…
Dear Lord,
Please take care of David. Watch over him, protect him from all harm. Cloak him with your love and give him the strength to endure all that is thrown in his path. Give David the courage and guidance to say no to those who ask for more than he can reasonably give. Surround David with loving and supportive people who love him unconditionally as we, his devoted Archangels do. Separate David from those who have agendas other than for his well being. Give him rest when he’s weary. Give him the stamina to sustain his hectic pace. Give him assurance when he feels doubt. Give him joy when he feels sad. Cloak him always in your protective arms during this time on his journey. Keep David and and his voice healthy & strong as he fulfills his Destiny which was written in his Book of Life before he was born. And please Lord, give us, David’s forever fans, the wisdom to know when and how to do right by David. Open our eyes and help us in the way we support David so that it’s always in his best interests. May his positive and good Karma continue to attract those with positive and good Karma! May he continue to encounter goodwill and happiness! May he continue to be healthy and strong during this time in the summer tour with Demi. Keep David and his companions safe as they journey across this land of ours. Though we may be unworthy, we humbly pray. Amen
David, hope you have a good night’s sleep & sweet dreams on the road. Keep with you all our love, prayers and warm thoughts! We will always love you madly! If you are ever in need of help, tweet us an SOS and your Archangels will be there in a flash!
Contigo siempre con amor!
Over the past few days, I’ve been scouring practically every DJA fansite in existence. And as you might imagine, much of what I’ve seen hasn’t been pretty. For example: Many folks here, there and everywhere–but mostly just there and everywhere–claim that David has not been well served by his management team. They argue that David deserves nothing less than a proactive, experienced and “professional” supporting cast. In short, they like to say, “David deserves better.”
But, of course, as with most things in life, it’s not what you say, but how you say it. And while I may sympathize, in part, with this recent wave of disenchantment, I cannot abide the attendant vitriol.
Indeed, I think it would behoove us all to refrain from casting aspersions on each other, on each other’s fansites, on David’s management team, etc. For what are we to accomplish with all this bitter, internecine feuding? For me, this particular “debate” has been, at best, only mildly illuminating. But at its worst? Well, that’s not something I’d like to ponder.
“David deserves better,” they say? Well, yes, perhaps David does “deserve better.” Better fans.
One very difficult lesson in life for me to learn was that everybody do not think the way I think (and you say, “whew thank God!”), or believe the same as I do. And that doesn’t necessarily mean that they are wrong and I’m right. They just see thing differently from me. Different upbringing, life experiences, so many things shape how we view life, what we bring to the table. Now I try to meet people where they are, to accept them as they are. To try to understand how they could have come to their conclusion. Everything is not black or white, there are many, many shades of gray, and a whole host of other colors. Just because I don’t see them all, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. It could very well be that I just haven’t reached the spot where the other person is to see what/how they see things or vice versa.
Dialogue and/or debate should be a good thing, it is necessary to faciliate change. But if I expect everyone to agree with me on everything that would be hell–even for me. None of us are robots. This is a free thinking country that was built upon descension, and I now strongly believe it takes ALL kinds to make a balanced world/country/fandom, even if I don’t always agree with you.
It’s been a long day goodnite.
Kizzi, Julibug, Vee, Jello {{{sending good thoughts your way}}}
baobabs…I’m sorry you think that we’re such bad fans. I also sometimes get fatigued by of the waves of critical analysis and yes, at times the negativity about what’s going on around David. But I guess I see something that you aren’t able to right now, which is that behind the sound and fury are fans that want only the best for David and do everything and anything that is in our power to help him be successful and keep making music. Outside of these and other forums, we are the same fans who buy David’s albums by the truckload, stand for hours in long concert queues, fly across the world to see him and promote David in any way we can. Ironically, until now, I think the one thing that we would least likely debate about is if David could have better fans. You’re the only making that assertion at the moment.
I seem to have missed the better part of the discussion. This time, I’m sorry I missed Richard and hope that he gets the chance to read this. Sorry to all if we are way past this topic. Richard, I am not about the drama either, but I guess I’ve created some. I wasn’t offended by anything you said and I apologize if I offended you. My comments are not directed at your decision to post here to let everyone know more about you and your work. I respect that you wanted to respond when you heard that your name was being mentioned here. I would do the same.
As I mentioned in my post, I don’t question your involvement with David’s Christmas album or the value of your contribution to David’s music – past, present or future. I’m grateful and appreciative that you’re working your tail off, for David and rightfully, for your own career too. I know that David relies on artists such as yourself to help him make the music he loves so much. My point was about the appropriateness of speaking about David’s projects directly to his fan base now that he has moved from amateur singer into the professional world. Like any of the established artists, I think any statements and information about his music should come through David or through official channels. I think it’s not in David’s best interests that anyone other than David or someone with Jive’s and Azoff’s authority should be answering random fan questions here and there. Richard, are you sure you want the responsibility?
What I reacted to is when you started engaging everyone in a sort of twenty questions game about what songs will be on Christmas album. I’ve noticed that this has happened on numerous occasions over at FOD and recently on IDF and now, here. If David or someone at the label said, “hey Richard, let’s create some buzz for the Christmas album. Please go have some fun with the fans and get them to guess what songs might be on it”, I’ll sincerely offer you my apologies again and go stick my head in the sand. If that’s not the case, then I hope you can understand that I might think that this is more about you than it is about David. David hasn’t engaged his fans in the same type of repartee. And if you’re working with/for David on this project and neither David or Jive is talking up the album in a similar way, this is where I question if professionally, this is the appropriate thing to do. This unfortunately reminds me of the many incidences during the AI tour when Jeff spoke directly with fans and dropped bits of information about Crush and the first album before their respective releases. David only spoke in generalities about the album whenever he was interviewed. I didn’t think then that this was the best start for David’s transition from reality tv show contestant to professional music recording artist. Richard, we can agree to disagree. If what you want is the only the best for David, then we are at least on the same page.
Tofan… I would be surprised if Mr. Azoff ever posts here. He is in the business of managing artist’s careers. Would it be his remit or in the artist’s interests to post on a fan site, no matter how intelligent its participants? Just because he would be welcome to do so doesn’t mean he should.
Rascal, I’m all for open communication as well. But I hope you’re not saying that those professionally and personally close to David should be encouraged to get into discussions about David on the various fan forums. I think David would be extremely unhappy and uncomfortable with it. In these open forums, there is absolutely no control over how what someone deemed ‘close to David’ says will be construed, repeated, represented or misrepresented elsewhere. If I were to ever have the privilege of working for or with David, or have the good fortune of becoming his friend, I believe I wouldn’t and shouldn’t have the same carte blanche to write, post and blog publicly as a fan does.
The list of amateur events and episodes that David has endured is already too long. As David moves into the next stage of his career with his sophomore album, my hope is that he is respected and viewed as a serious artist to the widest audience possible. The level of professionalism that surrounds him needs to be raised much higher than what it is now. Yes, he deserves that.
Hi all, whoever who is still up. I just need to get this off my chest since I haven’t seen anyone say this, except maybe Richard touched on it some in response to one of many praepos POVs. First, I had to stop reading at comment #one-hundred-and-something, because I am so tired. Had to type in my password a few times, kept messing up.
There is no argument that we all want what David deserves.
But I am disturbed by the expressed notion by quite a few people that Richard who is one of the people involved in the production of David’s Christmas album is somehow not professional enough.
I am disturbed not because I am offended on his behalf (though I could easily be if not for anything because I agree with rascal #20 “I, for one, will always be grateful to you for “Think of Me,” which I happen to believe is one of the few studio recordings that so far properly showcases David’s genius as a vocalist. The arrangement has a lot to do with that”), but because it seems so offensive to all the talented artists out there who are struggling without getting much or any recognition.
Let me quote as a primary example what praepos said to Richard ever so bluntly. “You are not a recognized name in the business”. Sorry but let me digress a bit by saying, just because a person doesn’t use crude language and cuss words to make a point, it doesn’t mean he/she is in fact polite and respectful. You can still be rude. Ok, back to my point, I keep hearing the complaint that David is not teamed up with more “professional” people. What may I ask does “being a recognized name in the business” have anything to do with true talent? Granted, if you can make a living at producing and writing or anything that you choose to do, it could very well mean you have some talent, or not! (uh, JoBro) Just because you are not commercially successful, therefore not a known person in the industry, it does not mean that talent is lacking.
Vincent Van Gogh sold only one painting in his lifetime! And that one painting he sold to his own brother!
Just got in, bout 30 min ago and I must say Pittsburg RAWK!!!!
OK, plenty of love vids from our ever reliable emilyluvsarchie BUT, the good news is our very own kizzi2008 was there!
Check out the PITTSBURG TOUR PAGE:
http://www.thedavidchronicles.com/2009/05/pittsburgh-pa-july-28-2009
Oooh SF – how are you? dying to hear from my sweet!
Goyboywonder #295:
Hi!! Thanks so much for the greeting! All this current drama has me flabbergasted! I am having major computer issues at home so I mostly just try to catch up while at work (which is where I am now) on my brand-new laptop!
I must say,however,that I agree with those here that think David’s “team” should NOT be visiting fan sites AT ALL. That is just too,too weird IMHO.
Now, I am going to read the last 290 posts from today that I haven’t read yet….then I just MIGHT get back to my work! LOL
Before I leave, I would like to say that I really,really like TDC (even if you guys were mean to me) and I know everyone here is the most dedicated fans of David. I love reading everyone’s thoughts here and I think you all are very bright,witty and creative individuals. I hope this place keeps it’s door open FOR-EVAHHH!!
Thank you.
Just wanted to say HI!!!! to Valbraz!
Can’t wait to hear all the recaps from P-burg!!
OH MY GOSH!!! Kataue #286::
This vid is AWESOME!!!! Thanks for posting!! Like Valbraz, I too found myself cracking up while watching! Actually, I was
giggling sumthin’ fierce when the JB were singing b/c I KNEW what was coming!!
I hope lots of peeps see this video! Awesome find!
#262, valbraz
A little while ago Hatz94 (Daniel) left this comment on that video of “Bubbly”:
“That was so cool!”
Ah, Baebabs. Looks like we have another visitor on our site.
Aside from BUBBLY, our very own KIZZI uploaded SOT. I like that this is sepia-like
More vids to amaze you at the PITTSBURGH TOUR PAGE
http://www.thedavidchronicles.com/2009/05/pittsburgh-pa-july-28-2009
EMILY said she videptaped all songs but will upload when she wakes up. Poor girl was exhausted from the slooooooooooow internet in the hotel LOL.
CB/Joymus on #237 – “To Make You Feel My Love” – isn’t that one of the songs David was supposed to or wanted to sing in AI? Yeah, if I am not having another “senior moment”, he wanted to do that number.
Just added this to our PITTSBURGH TOUR PAGE:
YEDL HQ in BW thanks to KIZZI:
Somedays it’s crazy being a David Archuleta fan. It’s exhilarating, emotional, sometimes stressful and always passionate.
You are all passionate fans of David’s, whether you agree with someone or not. I happen to see the glass as half full – all the time. I believe that David’s career is unfolding as it’s meant to be. Everything happens for a reason and being patient, although really, really hard, is paramount. If David and his music and voice were to disappear tomorrow (which they won’t), my life will have been enriched far beyond anything I’d hoped for. I will remain patient and appreciate every day I get to hear the young man sing.
I’ve been lurking for the past little while because life is busy, but my passion for David has not diminished one iota. In fact, I got my VIP tickets to Manchester NH yesterday and started to get all twitterpated! This surprise for my mom will be such fun! I hope to see many of you there.
Hope you all enjoy the day – peace and ♥.
*waves to rascal* – cuz I know you’re watching
Lively discussion these past two days. Just throwing in my 2cents worth.
IMO, the summer tour has been good, David is gaining new fans. This is based on the the no. of followers in his twitter account. He now has about 161K followers ! I recalled when the tour started, he has about 100K followers and have noticed that after the end of every show, the no. of followers would increase. At the rate he is doing, he will easily hit 200K followers by end of the tour. Even if not all new followers are new fans, I am sure at least half of them would be new fans. That would mean an increase of 50K new fans in less than two months !! Thats the power of twitter !!!
Any artist would love to have that many number of followers. Even Jordin, an AI winner and has been in the business a year longer than David has only slightly more than 220K followers.
Demi has about 600K followers, if she would give a shoutout to David, that will be good, but I have not seen her giving him any credit or mention in her tours, which is disappointing.
Even Perez Hilton tweeted about David “Bubbly” performance last night with link to the video ! Can you believe it, he has over 1 million followers !
@Davidarchie Archie does “Bubbly” by Colbie C. http://bit.ly/vrHe2
Unlike appearances in TV or radio show which one must tune at a specific time, the beauty of twitter is that it is available 24hours a day anytime, anywhere.
With him touring, for overseas fans, we would still have the youtube videos to look forward to.
As a new artist, he need to be seen and heard. I just cannot imagine him not doing anything this whole summer, he would then easily be forgotten. Causal fans are fickle, unlike die-hard fans, they will just move on.
VERMEER – am here and am still playing catch-up with the thread (as am also monitoring the video uploads from Pittsburgh).
I have said my piece although in very general terms in my post #149. So thanks for putting the specifics in your post #297.
I didn’t see this earlier but another thing that has taken me aback and is a prime example of the rudeness that you talked about is on post #100 – Angelica was told to “leave the thread” by praepos. WT??
I see that LIZ, in her always classy way has addressed this immediately in the succeeding post, but I don’t see this being acknowledged by praepos.
Why is this rudeness being tolerated to this extent? I am respectfully calling the ADMIN on this.
Jumping in here is already a challenge to begin with. TDC is not for everyone as we say. But this kind of rudeness – explicit and implicit – makes it even harder for those who already made the leap or are thinking of making one.
If I am out of line, I apologize in advance. But I feel very strongly about this case and am disturbed that we have managed to joke around the matter.
On a lighter note, the PITTSBURGH PAGE is almost complete , even if emilyluvsarchie is still sleeping (weak smile; thanks to muldur99‘s new uploads — and they are fantastic vids!)
http://www.thedavidchronicles.com/2009/05/pittsburgh-pa-july-28-2009
We just need TMH, WFM! and You Can and we are all set!
Just wanna share this beauties -- they never get old:
MY HANDS
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