Compare & Contrast
Let's Hear From the Fans
When David sang Imagine on the Top 20 on AI, a collective gasp of pleasure was heard throughout the land. When David sang Contigo en la Distancia at the ALMAs, jaws dropped in amazement. Many would agree that if David’s genius could be communicated in only two songs, these would be the two.
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The question in the TDC classroom today is – why? What is it about these two songs and these two performances that caused such stunning reactions? What do the performances have in common? How do they differ? What about the songs themselves? Are they powerful in ways that are similar? What important differences divide the songs?
What is it about these two songs and performances that draws us in, burns the experience into our memories, and keeps us talking and analyzing and clicking the repeat button?
Discuss.
~ davidfanLIZ
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Well…number one is his sheer beauty, which is breathtaking in both performances.
Then you add the power, tone, mastery and softness of his Voice and persona. Its a lament which just breaks your heart.
Indeed debra5354, these are songs that touch your heart. I am loving going back and forth, listening to one and then the other. (THANKS marlie for the high def versions!) The tone of his voice on Contigo is so smooth and rich and controlled, it is a whole different level of performance from Imagine. Both are intense, intimate performances with basically just a guitar accompaniment. (When will TPTB get the reality that less accompaniment is more with David?)
Like many others, I knew Imagine inside and out and loved the song. Hearing David sing it opened a door to an entirely new level of enjoyment for this song. His reinvention of the Beatles version just blew me away.
I’m wondering if those people who knew and loved Contigo had a similar experience.
“What do the performances have in common? How do they differ? What about the songs themselves? Are they powerful in ways that are similar? What important differences divide the songs?”
Funny you ask this question. I was remixing Imagine ( triple tracking) while CELD was on the chat room screen on mute. The more I listened and looked, it became evident how similar the performances meld.His body movements and facial expressions hardly give away the fact that he isn’t singing Imagine. I can’t explain in words. I made this video about 10 days ago. It will speak for me. Maybe even help answer some questions.
Abrra
abrra -- thanks for the info on ATubeCatcher in previous post. Just in time, as I’m fascinated with his Let It Be (starrynites) performance in BW, MJ & BP concert in Provo. He’s matured in so many ways -- physically (yeah, fitness shows/running becomes him) & his confidence on stage. Love how he can just jam along & improvise along with his former tour buddies -- esp. from 4:55 (hunkerdown) to 4:58 (archustrut) to 5:00 (whoa, IDK what that left hand thing is but it is GOOD). You can tell that MJ is impressed or maybe caught up in all the fans going ballistic. I like Brooke. She’s lovin David & really rockin out to the music.
dfanliz -- this is a hard one for me. I’m so caught up in the “CELD vortex” that I can’t stop to analyze it, once I begin to watch it. Kind of like meditating or something…
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00027627.html
Am dying over this.
David Archuleta Submitted for Best New Artist Contender at Grammys
Beside appearing on the Best New Artist list, David Archuleta is also among the contenders for next year’s Grammys nominees of Record of the Year and Album of the Year.
As long as the blemish remains, the obvious differences between men and mice remains. The disturbing differences remain.
SB
SandyBeaches . October 1, 2009 at 7:19 am .
Not taking the “bait’ in that trap!
Abrra
For me, the similarity in the two performances is his courage in choosing to sing in front of millions a song that is legendary, with no fear or trepidation, and with a confidence that he would make the song HIS OWN. The quiet determination and boldness stands in such sharp contrast to his off-stage self, which is humble and modest to a fault. For me it is an indication that at a young age of 18, he already knows his place in history.
Beauty, simplicity and sincerity.
Liz: Each of these songs begins with a gentle guitar intro -- just a few notes to set the mood. Then, David’s voice enters, soft, letting us get a little sample of the voice. He builds -- in Imagine, pretty quickly since he only has a minute and a half to “make us understand.” But in Contigo, he is able to build slowly, take us up, let us down gently, and then take us even higher one more time.
The VOICE is in its element with these songs -- allowed to sweep up, find that note that plucks our hearts and gently slide away. The fewer accompanying instruments the better for David’s voice. And both of these songs keep that to a minimum -- supporting rather than competing with his voice.
The difference -- he is so young in the video of Imagine. Oh, my, and so much a young man in Contigo. Have we really been following him long enough for him to have made that amazing change?
David show in Waukegan, IL at Genesee Theater December 11, 2009. Tickets on sale Oct 16.
http://www.geneseetheatre.com/index.php
His show wasn’t listed yet.
Hoping for more to leak!
Abrra
Waukegan, Illinois
Can I just say,
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
OK, I’m done.
Sorry to distract from the lovefest here, but I couldn’t resist sharing this little bit of hilarity.
Thanks to the member who sent me this — I’m glad to take the rap for posting it!
LOL!
I said to myself I wouldn’t get involved in the Jeff crap anymore online (especially if nothing changes and David or the label do not have him removed from management), but that video was hilarious.
“He’s a piece of work.” You can say that again!
LOL
The power and conviction he expresses in these two selections has left me in awe. David expresses all the good that is possible and all that is good through love and I, my heart and my soul are rendered his to do with what he will. His love for us all is God’s love after all. He channels.
I am sorry if this offends some people. It is what I feel.
Rascal . October 1, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Arsenio another (_!_).
I think I need a translator. What was the point of what he says about David? Arsenio, you wish you had a scintilla of talent compared to David Archuleta.
scintilla: a very small amount; hint or trace
Abrra
Arsenio speaks of the “kids” on Star Search “who didn’t win who went on to Idol and didn’t win there either, like David Archuleta . . . .”
Arsenio needs to refresh his memory:
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/star_search2/junior_story.php?dt=031903
I was over at MJ’s and saw this comment:
“BTW, I just want to share a comment made by someone I happened to find in an article on examiner.com concerning Katy and David concert.
David, I had lost hope in the world. And specially in young people. I laid in my bed for six months, unable to move cause of severe depression I was seriously thinking some crazy alternatives. Then I rolled over on my remote by mistake. It switch to American idol and you were singing “imagine”. I have followed your career ever since. My life has improved 120%. I will probably never meet you in person, but I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart…. I’m going to stop now cause computer is getting all wet with my tears and I’m in public and somebody just ask me if I was ok. I told them they were tears of joy…. Sincerely your 55 y/o ex depressed man. tnx tnx tnx”
September 30, 5:53 PM
Reminds one of the POWER of the Archuleta when he sings Imagine.
Abrra
DavidfanLIZ – you posted a lovely, fun exercise for us and unfortunately ‘those people’ who can’t seem to stop the innuendo and assumption making have smudged it. And,I won’t say anything about the video as I didn’t lower myself to even watch it. I made it to comment #18.
It boggles my mind how ‘those people’ continue to drag themselves and everyone else into the gutter yet again.
Isn’t it possible that David knows that his father’s name – JEFF – is on the promo for his Christmas Album? Isn’t it possible that he is OK with acknowledging him for the contribution he made to the song? – and NO I don’t think any of you can really judge it until you have actually heard all of it. Could it be possible that by this acknowledgment David is also supporting his father in other ways as well? I have no more proof that this is the case than do ‘those people’ who continue promoting, ad naseum, their own slanderous take on the whole incident.
I sincerely hope that none of ‘those people’ have ever made a really big mistake in their lives that has affected anyone close to them. And, if any of ‘those people’ have, then I sincerely hope that you haven’t experienced the back lash to and besmirchment of your character that you have bestowed upon Jeff – and by connection on David and the rest of his family.
I was actually going to acknowledge that I think ‘those people’ truly love David and support him, but it has a bit of a false ring to it when this kind of thing happens and continues to happen.
joner #9, “Beauty, simplicity and sincerity.”
Yes!
What the heck, what’s her name, Bonnie Raitt?, got an additional 15 minuets of fame maybe it will work for this guy too.
awestruck -- I hesitate to open up this topic again, but I have to admit that I am somewhat bewildered by the continued outrage over what I considered to be an in-your-face, but hilarious piece. I have great respect for many of those who were offended and I am trying to understand. Perhaps part of the problem is this: for many of us, our love for David is a precious and almost sacred thing. We have a place in our hearts for David that we don’t want to be sullied with anything unworthy. This special place doesn’t jibe well with the harsh realities of the entertainment business, and with people that are occasionally clueless or selfish.
The other issue is that management and family are one and the same. Some have assumed that taking management to task somehow “hurts” David. I would argue just the opposite, that airing grievances about questionable decisions made by people surrounding David could possibly help, but the most probable reality is that David and his people are oblivious to our little discussions here.
awestruck… ditto
mmm…I doubt they are oblivious…didn’t Richard show up that one time? And my best guess is that the “charity event” hit it’s snag mostly because Jeff didn’t like what he had read here and/or on ND. That said, I do agree that topics like this should not be “off limits,” especially when a very telling (and funny, NGL) video shows up in the media.
Will these conversations help anything in terms of management? I doubt it. I don’t think David would bow to fan pressure in changing the way he conducts his career. I would imagine more that he would close ranks with his peeps. It’s too bad, but idk…after everything that’s happened, nothing has changed!
The only thing I could ever see helping change the status quo would be if David found a mentor who could really take him under his wing and help him see the light. Maybe this will be someone who has been around (Mike Krompass? Kurt Bestor?), maybe someone he has yet to have the opportunity to meet….
Awstruck-ditto. I don’t find resentment and sarcasm hilarious.
supporting Arsenio’s slam @ David is uncalled for and ruins the flow of the topic being discussed.
I don’t think Arsenio’s slam was at David, it was at Jeff.
ram, you did not offend me with this statement:
“David expresses all the good that is possible and all that is good through love … His love for us all is God’s love after all. He channels.”
I have been witness 3 times to the ability David has to bring the power of love to the stage: 1st, SLC Idol Tour; 2nd, Pittsburgh encore; 3rd, just last Saturday at the Murray Theatre in his 5 minutes with Brooke, Michael and Benton. It’s amazing. It’s real and it’s palpable. I hope to witness a few more moments like that this winter.
David has said he wants people to feel the Spirit when he sings. These two songs are a perfect example. He prepares himself (which is crucial) so he can be a conduit and it happens. Not only does he channel it so people can feel it, when someone is filled with the Spirit everything is heightened -- including physical beauty and talent. His voice sounds the best it can, he looks the best he can. Joy radiates visibly, he communicates soul to soul and near-perfection is reached. I don’t know how many other artists can do this -- I’m presuming only the great ones.
Also.
Because I am his fan, I can separate my admiration for him from the facts about his father. Many fans are way too invested in having everything surrounding David being perfect. Why is that? Can we not admire him even more for how he deals with the difficult situations in his life? No one, not even David Archuleta, is immune to the junk that happens. I know everyone loves David beyond reason, but sometimes the blind defense for the indefensible actions of those around him makes me think the love is conditional for some, a little bit backwards from what awestruck said. In my mind, the love is more real when the flaws and the reality of his life situation are accepted. Does that make sense?
Can we not realize that because of the things Jeff has done, David (and Jeff) will be subject to ridicule and embarassment until Jeff is out of the picture? It doesn’t matter whether we believe them or not. It some ways it doesn’t even matter if he is guilty or innocent. I have no energy for arguing over it. I was sent this particular video by 4 different people today. It’s discussed. It’s out there. That is simply a fact everyone involved with his career needs to admit to. If he never leaves, the innuendo will never leave. That’s the way this industry seems to work.
*expects flaming comments*
heidijoy -- The video was a snarky comment about management, it had nothing to do with David.
momjulee – no flames from this fan lol! I agree that many of us want everything to be perfect around David. It is so hard to believe from the joyful and goofy countenance of our special guy, but there are real-life, not pretty things happening behind the scenes. As momjulee suggests, I have even more admiration for him that he can deal with all of this and still be who he is.
momjulee “In my mind, the love is more real when the flaws and the reality of his life situation are accepted. Does that make sense?” This does make sense to me. Accepting this situation is something we must do. I just dont’ see the need to bring a clip like that here. I understand that it’s “out there” and we will see it. Just can’t get the humour in bringing it to this thread. David’s management has flaws, yes. I support David whether I agree with the actions of his mamagement or not. Blind defense is not what I see happning here, just acceptance that this is the reality of David’s career management right now. Demanding that Jeff get the boot, and quickly, sounds a bit like “conditional fanship’ to me. I think it is all in how you look at it. JMO.
I thought the subject of Jeff had been deemed “closed”, but this juicy little video by that great philosopher, Arsenio Hall, was apparently too irresistible to pass up. A few tidbits I thought I’d share:
Two blatant rules violations:
a) Since Jeff was merely David’s Daddy in 2002 on “Star Search”, he was not “management”, and therefore,was part of David’s personal life. Referring to anything about David’s personal life,not authorized by David, violates the rules here.
b) the last time I looked, the word motherf****r qualified as profanity, whether it was written or stated. Posting a video where anyone, including David, could hear that word spoken about David’s flesh and blood, and then thinking it was “hilarious”, violates not only the rules of TDC, but the rules of human decency.
Having a sense of humor means one knows what is funny, but more importantly, what is not funny. Posting that video on this site was even more tasteless, if possible, than last week’s debacle.
Now that TDC has reached unprecedented lows in taste and decorum, I think we can safely assume that there will be no future private concert given by David to honor the people that called his father an ass, and then, a week later, applauded his being called a motherf*****r.
Blood is thicker than water.
refnaf -- Thanks for your thoughtful comments. But I don’t agree about the “conditional fanship” idea. Using a sports analogy, I can see that discussing the decisions of music management is no different from the endless discussions of trades and other decisions that sports teams make. The critiquing takes nothing away from the love of the team. A sports fan critiques BECAUSE he loves the team.
bliss, I love how you defend the rules
I disagree with you a bit in that management should not be discussed, but I agree with you that the fan event idea is certainly closed for good at this point…there are consequences to what you post online, especially within a tight-knit fanbase that we know is monitored by the peeps in charge.
oops…bliss, to clarify, I get it that you were saying Jeff was not management at the time of Star Search. I actually disagree. While he may not have technically had the title of Manager, I do belive, based on the evidence we’ve seen, Jeff was already acting as a manager to David even at a very young age…enrolling him in talent competitions, making recordings, having him sing in public, taking him to meetings with record labels…even during the Star Search days, there was a professional side to their relationship.
Litle M, every 12 year old is “managed” by their parents. When I was 12, I was “managed” to join the Cub Scouts, leaving me traumatized for life (LOL). That’s not even to mention the ensuing Bar Mitzvah lessons every Saturday for 8 mounths.
oops, that’s “months”
I’m not big fan of leash laws…but who had the ‘pooper scooper’?
About the main post question i really love the simplicity of this two performances , one guitar and a powerful voice that can connect his audience with the feeling of the song even if his listeners don’t speak that lenguage.
About the video…well is just another chapter in this history, this gonna happen again in the future , and i agree that David learn to handle very well. And to be clear unfortunately at that time Jeff was in his role of father/manager too and his actions at that time too are just another point on the list of negatives issues people can find when any casual fan search for David in the web. Just think that is not about the fan who coming to the sites, but about the new fans who go there to search who is David and find most information that we want they know(?). Is not us who go all over the place saying negatives things about Jeff…all is there in the news and the web…and i saying this by personal experience….and trust me ..is very, very disappointed..you just can’t explain six or sevent differents negatives rumors (or facts), you can’t.
I an inconditional fan of David, I’m sure most of fans who don’t like Jeff make their best to avoid the situation and continue his promotion work. And i agree that we can accept or applaude the use of some kind of vocabulary , but in this case we don’t encourage this person they just post that in youtube and that is the problem.
BTW momJulee : Great post !
Bye
Sorry : And i agree that we can’t accept or applaude the use of some kind of vocabulary , but in this case we don’t encourage this person they just post that in youtube and that is the problem. Bye
BTW The Katy perry concert was rescheduled for the Nov 14 via SA, but with David or without David?…i really hope is with him or he gonna go before people in Phil. was very happy about. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Uw_M6ZbloQw/SsVoeA33KhI/AAAAAAAASjk/6VDkp9nrbr8/s1600-h/zmtvkatyconcert.jpg
Marlie7, this has nothing to do with anyone’s endocrine system. This is about the public and intentional humiliation of the father of the person this site was created to celebrate. David’s father is being openly mocked and degraded by adults who present themselves as David’s greatest fans. People who know better, and choose to amuse themselves with garbage such as today’s video.
This site should be a “safe haven” for David. David is being betrayed by some of his fans here. Rascal, whoever he is, shut down his first site. He’s well on his way to orchestrating the demise of this one. In case you haven’t noticed, people are heading for the exits here because they are afraid to post dissenting opinions. These are nice people who love David, but have had enough. I have the E- mails to prove it.
David will always have my support for him and every aspect of his life, including his father. If David logged on to TDC and saw this video posted, don’t you think it would hurt him? Of course it would. David does not mock people, whether they deserve it or not. It’s called the high road.
I love David Archuleta. I am a devoted fan, and will support him forever, period. That is an unchangeable fact. Now that I have established that I have a few other things to say.
I wasn’t crazy about Rascals post and took the oppositions side. That said, I felt discouraged this weekend by some things that happened. I was at the Brooke White concert where we all know David put in an appearance. David’s family was there including Jeff. I can understand that and I think it is fine and reasonable for him to be there as long as he doesn’t begin to seek the limelight again. Jeff could have just stayed up in the balcony and watched the show and been unobtrusive, that would have been appropriate. Is that what happened? No, Jeff had to go down in the lobby and talk to fans like he previously did on tours. He seems to want to be back in the spotlight, holding court with fans. It was so encouraging this summer when David was on the road on his own, without a presence that puts a negative light on him. It is too bad that this is the case, but Jeff through his own actions, has brought this on himself. He needs to stay in the background at the very least. What the heck is he thinking? What is also very disturbing is the people who follow Jeff and treat him like he is a celebrity or something, which only encourages Jeff and makes him feel justified in being back out in the public forefront. What on earth is wrong with people? Is speaking to and flattering Jeff and to trying to get news more important than trying to do what is best for David and his career?
DavidfanLiz, I am sorry for going off on this rant. Those two videos are so moving to me. They are beyond beautiful and touch my heart and soul, and I just hate anything that can tarnish or distract from that beauty. I am sorry if I am taking away from what you tried to do.
hmmm I don’t mind dissenting opinions.
Nicely done Let It Be video:
Abrra who appears to never sleep
Abrra, thanks. I think I love you cause I needed that.
cb . October 2, 2009 at 2:31 am .
Ty CB
Perhaps there is a message in there someplace?
Abrra
“Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
no need for greed or hunger
a brotherhood of man….”
I remember when Simon told David he was being a little bit gloomy after singing “Another Day in Paradise” and “Imagine”
and the look of surprise on David’s face and his quizzical response- Imagine’s gloomy? I echo that question. When David sang Imagine, he sang it with such youthful exuberance and hope that it hurt. It was a hope that the world had overlooked, busy in their daily challenges, their daily hurts and rather mundane duties. David’s performance, at least for me, reminded me of my own want of joy & acceptance for the world. My own battle cry of Justice, Truth, Acceptance and Love. I don’t know….” You may say I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one, I hope someday you’ll join us and the world will live as one. Pax everybody
abrra -- unbelievable editing job. You pulled all the best parts of all the videos together.
“Perhaps there is a message in there someplace?” Let It Be? Know you were responding to cb but I think I’m seeing the light.
momjulee#27 -- “David has said he wants people to feel the Spirit when he sings. These two songs are a perfect example. He prepares himself (which is crucial) so he can be a conduit and it happens. Not only does he channel it so people can feel it, when someone is filled with the Spirit everything is heightened – including physical beauty and talent. His voice sounds the best it can, he looks the best he can. Joy radiates visibly, he communicates soul to soul and near-perfection is reached. I don’t know how many other artists can do this – I’m presuming only the great ones.”
This sounds like a viable rationale for “feeling the words” though not knowing any spanish, as well as the CELD vortex.
TIBITIBIS -- yes it has been rescheduled probably because Oct17 didn’t work out for Katy. But the good news is more international artists will be coming for the fund raiser.
Having said that, I have a theory though: wanna bet another D is being courted for the Nov date? I mean how would that look if only one D comes back in Manila’s time of need? (eyes wide shut)
Heck, they should have the S7 Top10 come here for Nov -- that would be some dream, eh?
AND…
eyes
wide
shut
also for the never ending Jeff saga
fandaforeverti48 . October 2, 2009 at 4:15 am .
The video I posted is NOT MINE.
Here is the YouTube Tag:
This is an unofficial video unaffiliated with Brooke White, Benton Paul, Michael Johns, and David Archuleta, created by E.M.P. Studio
I passed it along for others to enjoy.
Abrra
Help please?
I changed my Twitter photograph and lost the “David with a red heart” graphic thingy that overlays. Does anyone have a link for me to find that?
Abrra
Thanks to Joner on Twitter, I have my ribbon.
http://twibbon.com/
Abrra
Just to be clear for anyone with a relatively sane and balanced view of things: This site never has and never will be characterized by its managers as a “safe haven” for David. There are other sites that fall into that category, this is not one of them. We are about appreciation, yes, but we are also about analysis and will sometimes take on the tough and even uncomfortable issues associated with an artist’s career.
Anyone who delights in people running for the exits as proof of their position might consider joining the stampede.
I am loving David’s latest tweet:
“Feels great just jamming out with buds! It’s like a musical freedom of speech.. If that makes sense… Haha”
Oh my sweet David -- that makes perfect sense. Wish we all could have been there to hear.
Rascal,
Great point. Jeff will continue to be a source of controversy and a liability for David as long as he’s in management and up to his usual antics. I will continue to call it as I see it. I know first-hand that David reads at least some of his fan sites (one I know for sure, not sure about other ones as I did not ask him), and everytime I post I assume that what I write will be read either by him, Jeff, or someone else close to him. I think it’s important to say sometimes what needs to be said.
cb #43 -- no apologies needed. I appreciate your observations about the Brooke White concert.
OH my I am in a mood today!
Rascal #56
link
Is that you in the sport coat? LOL
Abrra
MAGICAL !!!!
TY
BWAAAHHHHHHHHHH
Abrra
Ah, she speaks softly but perhaps carries a big stick!
Or maybe more interestingly enough the follwing proverb…
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
SB
27/ ”Many fans are way too invested in having everything surrounding David being perfect. Why is that? Can we not admire him even more for how he deals with the difficult situations in his life? No one, not even David Archuleta, is immune to the junk that happens. I know everyone loves David beyond reason, but sometimes the blind defense for the indefensible actions of those around him makes me think the love is conditional for some, a little bit backwards from what awestruck said. In my mind, the love is more real when the flaws and the reality of his life situation are accepted. Does that make sense?”
makes perfect sense to me…
gg #63
/nod
It is what it is.
Abrra
I think the 2 performances were the ones in which David was best able to put out his love and soul to the world. I have never felt love as intensely from a song, as much as I do when listening to Imagine and CELD.
As for differences, there’s a much richer level of detail and nuance in what David does with CEDL. Like a whole other order above what he did before.
Finally, David has grown to become quite comfortable as a performer. In Imagine, David was standing in place, focused almost entirely on the music. He smiled shyly afterward and glanced downward at times, still kind of in awe of why all the admiration was coming to him. But with CEDL, David is walking (strutting!) around, delivering the song to different parts of the audience. Afterward, he is graciously accepting the praise before stepping off the stage. The transformation in confidence and stage presence we saw February-March 2009 is all there.
Also, check out the broadening shoulders between the 2 pics! [/superficiality] LOL
Someone above suggested that David’s management seeing some discussion here was reason for the charity event being canceled.
I would just remind folks that this was a concert that was being organized by people from several fansites, would have attracted fans from all those sites, given the children of a boys choir an experience they would never forget, given tens of thousands of dollars to charity, as well as given David a unique opportunity to engage with his fans. Even if one were to presume that it was the comments of some individuals on this site that brought down the gauntlet, it would seem difficult to defend this decision given the spirit of the event, the diversity of fans involved in the organizing, and whom it would have benefited. To be blunt, it would seem awfully petty.
It would be great to have such an event in the future, though. It IS such a great idea, after all. Perhaps we can contact David’s management? But alas, that’s where we have a problem.
DavidfanLIZ #29: “I agree that many of us want everything to be perfect around David. It is so hard to believe from the joyful and goofy countenance of our special guy, but there are real-life, not pretty things happening behind the scenes. As momjulee suggests, I have even more admiration for him that he can deal with all of this and still be who he is.”
I would take that one step further and say that this is precisely why he is as strong and as generous and sticking-to-his-principles as he is, and that these qualities don’t come from nowhere. When faced with great challenges, David seems to have the unerring tendency to get stronger, and make the right choices.
Upon reflection there are some words in the Arsenio Hall video that are contrary to TDC policy. Those words have been bleeped out.
To say that David has challenges is such an understatement. The grace that he shows as he grows in leaps and bounds before our eyes is a beautiful thing to see. I agree Ronald, he continues to show an “unerring tendency to get stronger, and make the right choices.”
We at TDC will continue to celebrate the artistry of this amazing guy, and we will continue to address issues in his career, some of which are comfortable, some of which are not.
I certainly do not either delight in or need people to leave this site to prove any points I make. I would hope that the folks that have E mailed their concerns to me and have opted to stop posting will reconsider and return. Lively, spirited
discussion is what gives this site its cache, and I’m enjoying being part of it. Cartoons of David looking like a chipmunk are cute as a button, but I can take just so much of that.
Marlie7 #44, please do not be afraid to disagree with me. I welcome your thoughts, and, more importantly, I respect them, whether I agree with them or not. My playing field is level, and always will be. Feel free to play on it. You, along with anyone else, are always welcome.
DA, thank you for finding and expressing that love which heals.
davidfanLIZ, thank you for offering the opportunity to experience and appreciate it yet again.
What richness blossoms.
This soil alone, does not create the beauty that heals me. The integrity of the plant itself digs with it’s own deep roots down into what nourishes it best. Miracles seem to happen.
Thank you.
David has offered us his music and we take it and listen to it and critique it and listen to it over and over. He has not offered us his family or his business.
David faces adversity like everyone else in life but those of us who care about him as a friend and like to have friends write differently about him.
The reality has been made obvious that there are others here who have different ajendas in regards to what they want from him, what they want to do for or against him.
The division is made and we all know who we are and into what category we fall under. Friends and foes of David have finally been established, no guessing any more.
SB
Jeff’s actions reflect poorly on Jeff. I don’t see that they negatively impact David himself, either personally or professionally. In fact, if you’re looking in that direction, the contrast is so great between the two of them, that David’s light appears to shine that much brighter. But I don’t think most people are looking in that direction. When you *hear* David, the rest doesn’t really matter--he is under his own “management”. And I don’t believe that any amount of trashing Jeff will remove him from the picture. I’m disappointed that this issue keeps appearing only because I have a different take on how to achieve a desired result. I have noticed, in my own life, that focusing on the negative allows the negative to persist. I choose to ignore it. Without feeding it the necessary energy to live, it falls away—kind of like a scab if you quit picking at it. Focusing on the desired result, however, works wonders. I’ll just stick with my own methods, “seeing” David with the absolute best management and production that facilitates the career trajectory I know he will achieve. Top of the heap. For life.
I know, “there goes Pollyanna again.” Well, we all get to express our opinions here, so that’s a good thing--and why I keep coming back.
I wish that Jeff’s actions only reflected on Jeff, but unfortunately there are others who think otherwise. There are people in the industry who won’t work with David because that means dealing with Jeff.
SB -- We are all friends/fans of David. LOL! I sometimes think we all take ourselves waaaay too seriously here!
The wonderful people at Archuletafansgermany.com have put together a get well video for David that I thought was really cute. Don’t know if you guys have seen it yet, if not here it is.
SB #73 “David has offered us his music and we take and listen to it and critique it and listen to it over and over. He has not offered us his family or his business.”
I’d agree that David has not offered his family. By virtue of Jeff being David’s co-manager, HE has offered himself up for “public” scrutiny.
I have given Jeff benefit of the doubt since the beginning of AI and his alleged behavior, or misbehavior, behind the scenes on the show. He seems like a nice enough guy, and even, father. I think, though, that in light of what allegedly happened at the beginning of the year, and all of the terrible press that FINALLY disappeared from the front page of googling “David Archuleta” and “News”… I’d really think that, for the benefit of his son, he would take a much lower profile, and markedly step back from the public view from being anything but David’s father.
A person would have to be quite naieve to think that either his lack of this understanding, or careless disregard for it, would not open the door for damaging commentary…from every side (except the blind…you DON’T know who you are!!!). In the least, his seeking co-writing credit on the album shows me that he was not big enough to give his son that gift.
Whether or not David, kind as he is, insisted on Jeff’s inclusion, Jeff surely should have insisted on it. From both the protecting perspective of both f**her and manager. What scares me, is what this may portend for the future. David is 18. To be embraced by the 18 to 30 year olds, this “semi-emancipation” that was by necessity precipitated by the “incident” should continue to unfold naturally. If not for public perception, then at least for his emotional and spiritual growth?
I couldn’t have said it better, Liz.
Apparently, it has also been rather clearly established who is laboring under the misapprehension that what we say or do here (or anywhere in the fan community, for that matter) has any direct bearing on David or anyone around him. We are like sports fans endlessly debating trades and play strategies. Anyone who thinks this kind of discussion amounts to anything more than rearranging angels on the head of a pin is delusional.
Friends, indeed. Hilarious.
AnotherDavid #77, “Whether or not David, kind as he is, insisted on Jeff’s inclusion, Jeff surely should have insisted on it.”
So does this mean that even if David wants his dad to continue as his manager this smear campaign go on?
freofan, are you privy to information that the rest of us are not? Can you give specific examples of how “people in the industry” have decided not to work with David because of Jeff Archuleta’s interference. Your post #74 states this as a given. Who are these people who won’t work with David because of his father? What gigs have been denied or cancelled because of JA? David has been working his little tushy off since American Idol, has given countless concerts, won awards by the bushel, and practically crashed Amazon.com with pre-orders for his Xmas CD. What else could he have done that he was not allowed to do because of Jeff?
AnotherDavid,
I don’t know if this was made clear on the previous discussion (I gave up participating when sanity and sense-of-humor had obviously vanished), but I don’t think anyone who is having a problem with Jeff’s blundering compromises of David’s public and professional opportunities believes that he should not get credit for authorship of a song. Of course writers should get credit.
But that is very different than having one’s name highlighted in the official description copy of a release. That kind of positioning doesn’t just happen — it requires lobbying, negotiating, perhaps even strong-arming. And I agree with what I believe you are saying (although you’ve worded it in such a way as it could be interpreted in the reverse), that even if David insisted on that (which I sincerely doubt), that Jeff ought to have rejected the idea. Instead, it seems abundantly clear that Jeff went out of his way to make sure his name was prominent in the marketing copy.
I don’t think this is a smear campaign. I’m new to this site, having left FOD long ago because people were so proprietary over David. What he thinks, what he’d “do”, what he would “like”, and the list goes on.
Everyone talks about the experience of David. What is it about him? “Why has he done what he’s done to me, and to all the others?” I think a common bond between many of his fans is that they’ve all been made to feel such strong paternal and maternal feelings for this extremely talented, enigmatic, and charismatic singer. You can even see it in some fans of his peerage, in their protectiveness over him. You could argue that it’s a brotherly love, but I see the extreme protectiveness of paternal/maternal love in the writings of many of his young fans. It’s a phenomenon. I think that that’s the reason for his lower popularity of fans of his age through thirty. They’re just not ready for paternal/maternal feelings.
It’s amazing to see the transformation of many people when they have their first child. They’re suddenly much more protective over not just other children, but they become more compassionate for other people as well. They look at other people through the eyes of a parent. That is the gift that David has given so many people. The gift that should be given back for this gift of a new found expanded capacity to love, should be the gift of letting him go, and be himself, and to grow…with no conditions. I’d like to see “the blind” do that!
Of course David would want Jeff to be his manager. He LOVES his father. Almost everyone loves their father…unconditionally. This “commentary, as opposed to smear campaign” just brings to question why the father would not remain stepped back, for the protection and betterment of his son’s career. He will always be his father. He does not always have to be the manager. And probably never should have always been, even in the most perfect of worlds. Even the best, and most loving of parents know when to let their children fly on their own (or at least think that they are).
This site is a specialty site. I’d hardly call commentary on “this little thing” as a smear campaign.
#81 Rascal. Yeah, I saw that I did not make that clear, but couldn’t pull it back afterward. I figured the context would make my mistake clear… Oops.
AnotherDavid, but is it Not David’s choice to make? To let him grow up is to also let Him make his management decisions and succeed or fail by them.
Although I think questioning Jeff’s decision to continue managing David career is a valid issue, I call this a smear campaign because of the way its being presented.
Also, I have asked twice already that if Jeff is to step aside as David’s co-manager at this time, who would take his place. Azoff along or is there someone else ready to step to the plate? Or, do you all feel David is ready to handle his career alone?
Nothing prohibits David getting guidance from his parents.
AnotherDavid . October 2, 2009 at 5:13 pm .
Welcome to TDC! I addition to this blog, there is a Chat channel which offers 24/7 of Performances, Fan videos and Interviews. You can visit here:
http://www.livestream.com/thedavidchronicleschannel
Abrra “hostess with the mostess” David anywhere!
goboywonder #84,
Virtually no one at David’s level handles their career without a manager. My roommate for five years when I was younger was a performing artist manager (and even had one client whose name you would probably know), so I am somewhat knowledgeable about what goes on, and what the relationship is between the artist (and their family), the manager, and the agents. It is a well-known truism that having a family member be the manager is an extremely dicey proposition, even when that family member displays an unambiguous predisposition to making the artist’s interests their number-one priority at every turn. Unfortunately, this is far from the case with Jeff Archuleta.
It is apparent from both direct observation and from anecdotal reports that Jeff Archuleta is driven more by his own ego than by an objective interest in his son’s career. I submit that anyone who has genuine sympathy for David and his artistic and professional opportunities is frustrated and saddened by what is obviously an extremely complex and difficult situation. I respect those who feel that highlighting it here in the fan community (especially in farcical and perhaps vulgar ways) doesn’t necessarily help, but the feeling at this particular site is that we have been silent for far too long.
Is it open season on Jeff Archuleta here at TDC? You bet your who-is-that-ass-in-the-room it is.
Re-posting from previous thread cos you are looking for this ABRRA?
fandaforeverti48, ggdoorsfan & abrra – here is the link to the HD CELD with 720 x 480 res (at least 176MB).
http://www.sendspace.com/file/kra8yb
What better way to enjoy this stunning performance than in a magnified screen with DVD quality. Too bad his lighting was a bit darker for my preference -- and the only one among the 5 performers. Enjoy!
I also have the rest of the other performers (Shakira, Nelie Furtado, Pitbull & Sean Kingston) so if you are interested in them too, just let me know
davidfanLiz & marlie…
How we perceive ourselves is individual. I am a fan but at the same time I am a friend. If you want to be a fan of David’s and allow swearing in the same sentences that David’s name is mentioned and not care to remove it until you reflect upon it, then that is certainly your choice. Maybe there are different concepts of being a fan, but then it depends upon who you are a fan of and just how much you really care about what you say on the world wide web. Each to his own set of personal morals and ethics that is certain.
Marlie…I am offended that the people who have a web site in David’s honor continously treat him with such disrespect
I have met David twice with my husband and we have had a pleseant conversation leaving on the note that we would see him again soon. There are not too many adult family men in his life along the way and he appreciated my husband’s cell number if he ever performed in a concert nearby. We have been friends over the years with some members of a National Hockey team. They called my husband at work and invited him to their practices and games. He was asked to their Stanley Cup games and banquets over the years and invited to stay in their homes. We were invited to one of their weddings, called when a son was born and my husband kept away the press when there was a crisis. Fans can become supportive friends in their walk of life and keeping away from insulting their family just doesn’t fit.
It is all a matter of freedom of speech and freedom of choice and we have all done both here. It would be good to leave sensationalism to the journalists who are paid for their work.
I give great credit to bliss for trying to make an honest, intelligent and much appreciated effort to keeping us focused and perceived as good people.
Abrra, jackryan4da and Silverfox…our saving graces, who extend themselves honorably towards our friend David.
SB
jackryan4da . October 2, 2009 at 7:23 pm .
Thank you, JR. What player will open it? Windows Media Player and ITunes are resisting.
Abrra
The difference between David’s “Imagine” performance on AI and his CELD at the ALMA’s? David said he was “stinkin’ nervous” for the ALMA’s and it showed ever so slightly but not really noticeable to anyone who had never seen David perform. On AI, David seemed so confident. If David was “stinkin’ nervous”, he sure didn’t look it.
And of course, both performances were life-changing…for everyone who watched David’s performances, that is. “Imagine” was the beginning for most of us on this journey with David. CELD just confirmed David as The Voice. We are with David through thick and thin, through the ups & downs. Unconditionally forever. And he is so worth it.
As I tweeted to David the other day..
“Call be blasphemer, but if you were a cult, I would follow you anywhere & give you all my worldly possessions, which are few!”
I was trying to be funny, but there’s a lot of truth to my comment.
Which brings me to…
Are we still going through all this garbage about David’s manager/father? Will it change anything? Will David fire his father as his manager because some fans think he should? I think not. Will Jeff ever step down because some fans think he should? I think not. We are here for David are we not? Would his career status be any different without Jeff? Who knows? I have no regard for Jeff at all. I was one of those fans who cringed at the sight of him front & center everywhere with David, and that was before his “bad back therapy”. And I was one of those fans who hoped he would stay out of sight for good after his “therapy went bad”. Out of sight, out of mind. And it was great!
But he’s back now whether we like it or not. It’s really not for us to decide anyway. So I choose to ignore him. I choose to follow David’s lead and not speak of him at all ( after this post, anyway).
And I’ve been pondering this question. If Jeff becomes more & more visible again, will that change how we feel about David and his exceptional artistry? Of course not. This, what we all are doing here, is FOR DAVID. It’s all about David. And if David chooses to have Jeff with him again, so be it. We don’t have to like it. But if we are in this unconditionally, then we have to accept it. We don’t know what the future holds for David. I have my own hopes for him which don’t include certain aspects/persons of his management. Whatever happens though, I’m in this for the long haul..Jeff or no Jeff. David’s doing just fine so far with Jeff so chances are he will remain for the foreseeable future.
I didn’t like rascal’s “game” because it was disrespectful to member of David’s family (even if respect is not deserved) so in a sense, to David. Yes, I know it was about “management”, but in this case, they are one & the same. Spin it any way you want, it is what it is. It made me think about what David said way back when asked about the “stage dad rumors”. He said something like “people can say & think what they want about me, just don’t go after my family.” I don’t blame him. I feel the same way about my family. Anyone says anything negative or hateful about a member of my family is never forgotten. It stays with you, and there will always be a bad taste in my mouth for that person. Hard to forgive & forget hurtful comments about our loved ones.
I’m done. If admins feel I am no longer welcome here for my comments, just let me know. No hard feelings. Sometimes people overstay their welcome.
BTW, seems to me, the more we talk about David’s dad, the more we put him front & center. Seems to me, threads like this just KEEP him front & center.
SB, I thank you for your understanding and support. The whole Jeff Archuleta situation has left me scratching my head. In my post # 80 I asked Freofan a sincere question. What specific decisions have JA made to undermine and/or sabotage David’s career so far? I received no answer, and I have a feeling that there is no “smoking gun” evidence forthcoming on this issue.
Wow.
I am trying to make some sense of what I am reading and I must admit, I am failing.
Just what is the purpose of the discussion of the weaknesses of Jeff as David’s manager in such “farcical and perhaps vulgar” language? It seems most people reading this web site is aware of the rumors and facts about Jeff. It seems you are preaching to the choir, why the crudity?
Some things I have assumed to be true, though certainly not from personal experience:
David is thoughtful and kind.
David gives ALL unconditional acceptance
David does not “get” sarcasm and jokes at others expense.
David does not curse.
David loves his family.
I love David because of all the above.
When I try to be more like David I find I have no regrets about what I do or say. I also find I do not have to try to justify my words or actions to anyone.
I thought this was a site to honor David, his music and his values. I don’t want to be wrong.
Silverfox,
You know that I love you, and I suspect we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Please do not go just because of one controversial topic.
Our view is that Jeff Archuleta is not absolved from criticism as David’s manager just because he is family. The man’s handling of his managerial responsibilities to the artist we love has been the source of frustration and consternation for many of us for some time, now, and as a place where career analysis is sometimes the topic, it is, we feel, appropriate subject matter.
I take your point about visibility, but I do not believe that sweeping things under the rug is necessarily a better option. Sunlight cleanses and clarifies.
Once David’s Xmas CD comes out and we start getting nightly videos of his performances, the issue of Jeff Archuleta, already a bone numbing bore, will disappear as fast as you can say “Riu Riu Chiu”.
A nice write up in popeater.com from brooke white about her tour and the LET IT BE # mentioned
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Road Report: Brooke White Covers the Beatles With David Archuleta
Posted Friday 02 October 02:30 PM By: Brooke White
Brooke White is riding high on the release of her debut album, ‘High Hopes & Heartbreak,’ and now the 26-year-old Arizona native is on tour with fellow ‘American Idol’ alum Michael Johns. In this Road Report, White recalls her Salt Lake City show where fellow ‘Idol’ contestant David Archuleta joined her and Johns on stage for a cover of the Beatles’ ‘Let it Be.’
SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH: Now not to show favoritism — we love every show because they all have their own unique “feeling” or energy to it — but we had an inkling that SLC was going to be big. Why? Well, for one, it is our tourmate Benton Paul’s hometown, and two, if our ‘Idol’ show in Salt Lake last summer was any indication of fan reaction, we knew we would be welcomed with open arms.
We had a rather last-minute change of location from the Avalon to the Murray Theater. It became lunch time, and word on the street was that there was a Chik-fil-A nearby, Michael Johns pretty much only eats KFC, Chik-fil-A and Outback. Chik-fil-A is his favorite, so we headed down to the mall food court and had some chicken. I’m gonna have to agree — Chik-fil-A is pretty delicious. I also found myself a new pair of Vans sneakers that are stylish and comfortable.
We made our way back to the theater in time to leave for another Borders in-store performance. It was another good turn out and we enjoyed a welcoming little group of friendly fans. When we arrived back at the venue, we were surprised by a long line of people waiting for the show — exciting! We went in for a very short soundcheck, and by the time I went back outside to climb on the bus, the line had tripled. I began to recognize several familiar faces — extended family and old friends from high school — and it was treat to have so many people there that I actually knew. Seeing so many people there to support us was endearing. I went and gave a high five to every person standing in line.
When it became show time, both Benton and Michael came off the stage with the inevitable “high” that comes after a good show. They must of said a million times, “That audience was incredible.” As usual, I had nervousness, but I couldn’t help be anxious and experience it for myself. I walked out on stage and looked out into the crowd and for the first time of the tour couldn’t see an empty space in the room! Everyone was so happy to be there, and so was I. Every song felt good, all of ‘em!
As we anticipated, the show was everything we’d hoped it would be. At the end of the set, we decided to put together a little impromptu version of ‘Let it Be’ with all of us on stage along with a special surprise guest appearance. I started out on piano and sang the first verse, then Benton came on stage singing, “And when the broken hearted people, living in the world agree.” Then Michael came out singing, “For though they may be parted, there is still a chance that they will see.” In unison we sang “Let it be.” After a face-melting guitar solo by Kevin came the loud, ear-piercing shrill of screaming girls as our close friend David Archuleta came on stage to sing, “And when the night is cloudy, there is still a light that shines on me.” It was a great moment, and we all felt on top of the world. The whole theater was on fire with “let it be,” and of course we couldn’t stop there. The band busted out ‘Proud Mary’ — Michael was the only one that knew the words, but we were all up singing “Rollin’, Rollin’, rollin’ on the river!” I even danced — fun times. At the end of the song, we all hugged, took a bow and ran off the stage feeling pretty darn good when Michael said, “Brooke, you didn’t sing ‘Radio Radio’!” The audience still seemed good for another song, so I ran out there and we sang ‘Radio Radio.’ Oh, what a night. Thankful…
We just rolled into Lawrence, Kansas and I am due for a shower and some lunch. And, of course, this here blog was not as short as I planned. Ah well, just too much life on the road to try to condense. I’m worn out and am kind of feeling homesick, but I know these kind of experiences don’t come around everyday. Living in the moment and taking lots of pictures. Thanks to our fans … everything we do, we do it for you
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Source: http://www.popeater.com/2009/10/02/road-report-brooke-white-covers-the-beatles-with-david-archulet/
ABRRA on #87 -- hmmm… it plays in all my players -- VLC media player, EM Total media player, QuickTime, Windows Media, iTunes & DivX. Perhaps it is in your setting for each of the players?
To be sure, do VLC
jackryan4da . October 2, 2009 at 10:01 pm .
Not had luck with that one. Its ok
Thx.
Abrra
Lindy Chamberlain
Chuck Plinton
Richard Jewell
Carl Probyn
DJ Bell
Does Jeff Archuleta Belong in this list? I don’t know, but I do know that the world’s history
is filled with people who have been wrongly accused of various crimes and have suffered greatly because of it.
What are the crimes and who are the accusers? What proof is there?
What reason does it serve to lay out the sins to the public?
Is it indeed to help victims of the supposed crime, or is it the people’s right to know, or is there bias or a hurtful disregard
that has motivated the accusations? These are the questions I have to ask. And, when the answers
are not satisfactory, then I will err on the side of innocent until proven guilty. The alternative
is too horrendous to contemplate.
jackryan4da- That’s great about the write-up. I’m so happy to see so much buzz about David lately.:)
And, a little bit of excitement at my end of the valley. David Archuleta will be singing a christmas song( so they say) on Studio-5 in Salt Lake, and guess who is going to mosey on down to that end of the building to make sure she is there when he does?
Pax
Just to perfectly clear, the above mentioned ” DJ Bell ” is NOT me….. Oh my!! Now how the heck am I going to clean up the coffee that I just spit out all over my keyboard??
Sheesh….Cutter I could have done without the inclusion of THAT name..
And for the record, I have never been accused of ANY crime..
djxox . October 2, 2009 at 10:41 pm .
/shifty eyes
Abrra
AnotherDavid # 74. ¨I have given Jeff benefit of the doubt since the beginning of AI and his alleged behavior, or misbehavior, behind the scenes on the show. He seems like a nice enough guy, and even, father. I think, though, that in light of what allegedly happened at the beginning of the year, and all of the terrible press that FINALLY disappeared from the front page of googling “David Archuleta” and “News”… I’d really think that, for the benefit of his son, he would take a much lower profile, and markedly step back from the public view from being anything but David’s father.¨
Unfortunately if you go to MSN all the news are there in an special link (DA father, DA Dad, Jeef A.)in the side of David news but in first page with him…SAD:( because almost all the news are negatives references of his past ‘alleged behavior, or misbehavior’. Thank God is not the case in Google and Yahoo.
I really hope Jeff can understand the benefit (for David) of keep himself in a ‘lower profile’ and taking decisions thinking in David’s career and not in feeding his own need of steal the spotlight from David and David’s talent.
Rascal #84, I appreciate the direct reply, thank you.
So as I understand it, the issue with Jeff is not so much what David has accomplished under his guidance (if Jeff steps down as co-manager but still advises David, the results,as far as where David is in his career, would be the same), but that Jeff uses his position as a means of gaining fame and notoriety. He can’t resit the being in the spotlight. He further exasperates disgruntled fans by exercising poor judgement in his personal life which is believed to reflect poorly on David and is damaging to his career. Then to add insult to injury, Jeff’s refused to sanction the “Charity Event” without David’s knowledge no less. So now, Jeff must go; whether David wants him to remain co-manager is relevant.
If this is an accurate summation, I still have to respect David’s rights to make his own choices because he really doesn’t owe me anything. If he decides to never sing another note or go on a two year mission for his church, it’s his life. Somehow, declaring open season on his dad doesn’t seem like “the gift of letting him go, and be himself, and to grow…with no conditions” (AnotherDavid, #79).
Cutter12 #73, today I went to the dentist for a routine cleaning and ended up getting an unexpected filling,LOL. Also thanks for your kind remarks on the Far Away thread.
oops! sorry about that djxox. That’s twice I’ve nearly knocked you out of your chair. lol
Abrra~ #78 SHADDUPPP!!! It is NOT ME !!!
*cracks whip*
Oops..that would be Abrra # 98 *cracks whip again*
Ahh yes Cutter, but the first time was pleasant : wink: and this time, not so much! LOL
djxox . October 2, 2009 at 11:09 pm .
Are you here? and not in chat?????
*BAM*
Abrra
djxox -- #97 ha, ha ,ha Very funny!
cutter12 -#96 You know what , i really think we need to get over about the fact that in this fansite we are Fans of David Archuleta, but we have fans of his manager too and someones that are not fans of his manager and is totally right if you want take a role in the discussion about that subjet, but we need to keep in perspective that is imposible make everybody think alike , you share your point if you have a positive feedbaak is good if not… well we move on to the next topic. That doesn’t mean a second round gonna coming..happen all the time so …:) just saying.
And about your little list above well that is extreme and very sarcastic, if you really think David’s manager/Dad is the only one manager/dad/familymember to be criticized in the career of one celebrity …well is wrong, because is very usual actually.
Ant to finish, you don’t need to be a fan of his manager or label to be a fans of the artist, i mean i love Luis Miguel since he was a little boy of 10 years old, but i never was a Fan of his father/manager .
GBW #100, “whether David wants him to remain co-manager is relevant.”
Actually, that should read ‘irrelevant’.
Please excuse all other typos, grammatical errors, and illogical thinking as I do for others.
CUTTER12 #96
Lindy Chamberlain
Chuck Plinton
Richard Jewell
Carl Probyn
DJ Bell -->????? anyone we know?
JR~ #107~ NOOOOOOOOOOO
I did NOT do it!!! Cutter I WILL hunt you down..LOL
tibitibis #105
I’m sorry, my post was not meant to be sarcastic. I was just trying to say that innuendos and false accusation can & have led to drastic consequences. I have stated before, and will state again -- I am not a fan of Jeff Archuleta, as in -I will support him and everything he does regardless. What I am a fan of is- truth. Too many accusations have swirled around him with no real basis of proof. People claim he is only hurting David’s career and people will not work with David but, no one is giving proof that this is true.
And the truth about a certain DJ Bell that has been known to frequent TDC is -- she suffers from an extreme case of ODD, or at least, that’s what I have been told.
cutter12 #109 -- Is OK then. About the rumors..well many are more than rumors , each one choose to believe or not and when i go to the sites (non fansites of DA)you can see too many comments about this subjet from people who like David but have too many concerns about this, remember that not all the people who buy his music are hard-core fans who coming to the fansites and in that perspective Yes he’s hurting David image with the fans, casuals fans and media.
djxox #110 -- WHO ARE YOU? ……..joke:) Good night!
tibitibis~ /shifty eyes
Sweet Dreams~
Did anyone notice that the description of David’s CD on Amazon has been changed:
“Product Description
2009 holiday release from the American Idol runner up. Christmas From The Heart is the second studio album, and first Christmas album by David Archuleta.The album features collaboration with Charice Pempengco on ‘Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas’ and a brand new track ‘Melodies Of Christmas’, co-written by David.”
DJXOX -- bahahahahahahahaha
BTW, if you are into collecting mags with David as cover, make sure you get Oct issue of Total Girl mag
http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss90/archuletaphilippines2/za12.jpg
ah… one by one…
JR -- am also having trouble trying to play that video you sent us -- something about “codec”?
Jackryan4da,
Me too!
I can’t view in any player either! (anticipation is a killer!)
# 113 Collegemom…Now thats more like it!! A good description without negative overtones.
I think that is what everyone was expecting to see initially. Maybe I,m wrong, but it was possibly an attempt by manager to see how it would be accepted if he put his name out there and when the sh**storm happened it was pulled.
Now if they would only rethink the pic which makes him look like a ten year old. And cut n paste snowflake?? David deserves better. But I guess that is to appeal to the tweenies.
Collegemom #113, I’m very happy to see that. Thanks for posting.
Debra5354 #118, Amen! Though they may have printed off the covers already aww
debra5354 . October 3, 2009 at 10:07 am .
Why do you make me do these things? LOL
“how it would be accepted if he put his name out there and when the sh**storm happened it was pulled.”
S***storm
Urban dictionary:
A discussion about something totally pointless and inane that got out of hand and now consists of people fighting over nothing.
Abrra
Abrra: A discussion is never pointless and inane if it affects change.
marlie7 . October 3, 2009 at 11:03 am .
My point was not clear, I guess.
I meant that this discussion may have helped make the change.
Abrra
Off topic but I wanted to share some business info. The 9/26 issue of Billboard has a list of the top 100 ways for an artist to gain “maximum exposure”. Except for 1 & 2, all of those listed below relate to David in some way.
Noticeably missing from the Top 100 were artist Myspace, Facebook and personal webpages.
1. Synch placement in a TV ad for Apple
2. Performance on the ‘Oprah Winfrey Show’
7. Song covered on FOX’s ‘American Idol’
13. Album displayed in Wal-Mart endcap
18. Video link on Perezhilton.com (had 2.8 mil unique visitors in July)
19. Album promoted in Best Buy circular
20. Medium rotation at WHTZ (z100) New York
21. Single played on Radio Disney (reaches 5.6 mil)
22. Radio Disney performance (reaches 5.6 mil)
24. Album promoted in Target circular
27. Album displayed in Target endcap
30. Video on YouTube most-viewed page for music
34. Album displayed in Best Buy endcap
37. Mention on Perezhilton.com (~2.8 mill unique visitors in July)
45. Interview/review/profile in the New York Times
51. Support slot for arena-level headliner
58. Album/single included in an Amazon sale or promotion
66. Artist Twitter feed
68. Televised performance on key Latin award show
88. Video in rotation on VH1’s ‘Top Twenty Countdown’
SOURCE: Billboard, Maximum Exposure, 9/26/09
Edits for #124 --
I meant to qualify by stating that this data was taken from the Maximum Exposure list for the U.S. Also, for #21 & #22, Radio Disney reaches 5.6 million people per week.
Saturday mornings, gotta love ‘em!
Since we have all voiced our displeasure of aforementioned promo, in the spirit of fair play, giving props to management for the correction…and hope this trend continues.
This is David’s gig, no one else’s.
SB – just to clarify some of my earlier remarks: I agree with you that every fan’s experience is highly individual. No one can tell another how to feel. Being a fan of David is an intense experience and I honor each person to find their own way of being a fan. I know that I have been through a number of different phases of fandom lol!
What I was objecting to in one of your comments was your portrayal of a division of fans into “friends and foes.” I would suggest that just because we disagree doesn’t make you or me or anyone else a “foe.” It was THAT statement of yours that made me comment that we fans (myself included) sometimes take ourselves way too seriously.
Abrra: I totally misunderstood your meaning -- so sorry!
It says to me that maybe (just maybe!) someone in David’s management and/or label monitors the fan sites, has more power than Jeff, and demanded that his name be removed from the official product description.
Freofan #129. I realize that the fantasy du jour is that Jeff’s name was removed from the CD as a result of the pressure put upon management by TDC and other fans sites. I’ll let Rascal , himself, bring things back down to earth.
Post # 75 4:29 PM Oct 2, 2009 Rascal
“Apparently, it has become rather clearly estalished who is laboring under the misapprehension that what we say or do here (or anywhere in the fan community, for that matter) has any bearing on David or anyone around him…..Anyone who thinks that this discussion amounts to anything more than rearranging angels on the head of a pin is clearly delusional”.
Oz has spoken.
Appreciate you re-posting those comments, Bliss! They were in response to an earlier post of mine, I believe, and I didn’t (and still don’t) appreciate being referred to as “delusional.”
And I do stand by my opinion that the fansites are monitored and David’s people have a clear idea of where each one stands on certain issues. I’m convinced the Utah peeps lurk here -- Richard and Brett have posted in the past, and remember David’s friend of the family who used to post, Erin4David?
Not sure someone in David’s industry management would acually read the sites unless they were looking for something specific (like fan reaction to a decision they disagreed with).
Just stopping in to post this. Not sure if you’ve seen it but I know we have some very talented people residing here and thought you could have some fun with it:
http://www.portraitmagazine.net/davidchallenge.html
peace
Absolutely the fan site are monitored. I know first-hand that David, Jeff, band members, and others regularly read at least some of the fan sites. I have no idea if our specific recent discussion prompted a change in the album description, but fan discussion on the sites certainly does not hurt.
freofan#133
“but fan discussion on the sites certainly does not hurt.”
Then why do I hurt? I have lurked all weekend not having the heart to comment anymore. What is the point of being a fan on a site that may alienate the one person we are supposed to love? Critical analysis is good, but this has been badly done. I am so disheartened by this whole business. It may have all been instrumental in a “win for David,” but at what cost?
This is my newest video. I was going to post it as a Short Take, but on further thought, I feel this is best. I am sure of one thing…I will never leave David.
Angelica -- that video is very beautiful -- thank you for sharing it.
Angelica, you have outdone yourself again. That video is breathtaking and I so appreciate the sentiment and thought you but into making it. Thank you.
Angelica -- just beautiful! Another treasure to watch again and again.
Angelica, what can I say? How can I thank you for this exquisite tribute to David? The song and photos are perfect and the lyrics…
Wild horses couldn’t drag me away
Wild, wild horses, couldn’t drag me away
Those lyrics say it all! And Susan Boyles rendition brought be to tears. Thank you so, so much, Angelica for all the love you show David through your videos.
Brought ME to tears.
Angelica, I have no words — beautiful video. Heart-stopping. Thank you.
Angelica….
Then why do I hurt? I have lurked all weekend not having the heart to comment anymore. What is the point of being a fan on a site that may alienate the one person we are supposed to love? Critical analysis is good, but this has been badly done. I am so disheartened by this whole business. It may have all been instrumental in a “win for David,” but at what cost?
I am sure of one thing…I will never leave David.
My exact sentiments.
Wild horses couldn’t drag me away!
Thank you for this unbelievable “Angelica creation”…..stunningly beautiful.
Your artistry defies words. David is so lucky to have you as a fan.
SF…found your prayer…thought it was gone….thank you!
The Voice
The air : spirit-breathed gaseous particles
Course thru his lungs, thru his pipes
And thru cords of vibrating flesh
All specially made for him
To form waves that touch
My aural membranes
Touching a core in my brain
Translated into an abstract
Beauty , a perception
Of sound so pleasing.
There must be a
Loving Being, so kind
To humor me with this
And a chuckle, a demeanor
A humility, and a smile
A character, and a kindness
Molded into one
To match the soothing voice
An inspired creation.
Angelica, that is a very touching tribute to David, just makes me appreicate him all the more. I also enjoyed hearing Susan Boyles singing, so gentle and caressing.
I’ve been reading the comments on Rodney Ho’s ’25 Most Successful Idols’ where David is listed at #11 (although Pickler and Cook are both #8)and trying to understand how it turned into a free-for-all for bashing David Archuleta. Even though other idols are not my faves and a few I don’t care for either their voices or styles, I don’t see the point of putting them down. Why can’t people simply say who would be on their list and why without bashing others?
Wondered all day when or if David would tweet. Then he did…
“Oh man, stomach aches are not fun!”
29 minutes ago from txt
He’s not feeling well. Hoping it’s just cause he ate too much birthday party goodies and nothing serious.
Good night all, and for David..
Dear lord,
Please take care of David.
Watch over him, protect him from all harm.
Cloak him with your love and give him the strength to endure all that is thrown in his path.
Give David the courage and guidance to say no to those who ask for more than he can reasonably give.
Surround David with loving and supportive people who love him unconditionally as we, his devoted Archangels do.
Separate David from those who have agendas other than for his well being.
Give him rest when he feels weary.
Give him stamina to sustain his hectic pace.
Give him assurance when he feels doubt.
Give him joy when he feels sad and never allow David to feel alone or lonely.
GIVE US THE WISDOM TO ALWAYS DO RIGHT BY DAVID.
OPEN OUR EYES AND HELP US IN THE WAY WE SUPPORT DAVID SO THAT IT’S ALWAYS IN HIS BEST INTERESTS.
Cloak him always in your protective arms during this time on his journey.
Keep David and and his voice healthy and strong as he fulfills his Destiny which was written in his Book of Life before he was born.
Though we may be unworthy Lord, we humbly pray. Amen
David, have a good night’s sleep with sweet & happy dreams. Thank you for all you do and for who you are. Keep with you all our love, support & prayers always.
Contigo siempre en la distancia, con amor!
Angelica!! My heart is bursting with the love coming from your video. You need to make it an mp4 so we can feel the love daily that you have given
goboywonder -- Those that trash him will never be his fans. He makes them too uncomfortable. He has this uncanny way of making us look within ourselves; as Jeanette McCurdy said, “he makes me want to be a better person.”…and for them, that is getting way too close for comfort, too vulnerable. Heaven forbid,they might see something they don’t like…and then what!
Angelica…This video tribute sung by Susan Boyle, is absoultely stunning. Your artistry and sincere dedication is to be commended. We are so fortunate to have you present them to us.
Someday soon I know that David will be in conversation with you in regards to your beautiful collection of videos.
SB
emmiegirl, “He makes them too uncomfortable. He has this uncanny way of making us look within ourselves…”
Ain’t that the truth. Besides, it’s like the blogger begudgingly puts David on the list and disses him by associating him with Disney and not bothering to really mention any of David’s many accomplishments like he did for the others as validation for their placement. He only writes that David has a dedicated fanbase and one Top 10 single. Obviously it must be more than that if he’s #11/12 on the blogger’s own ’25 Most Successful Idols” list. Maybe Ho doesn’t want to let those who don’t follow David closely know just how well he has done since he left the idol stage.
I guess my skin is still not thick enough.
cootiedoc -- thanks for that! You made me smile.
Angelica,
Thank-you for “keeping-it-real” for me here at TDC. (maybe I should say, bringing it back to real!) Very beautifully done. Great song and excellent pics of our favorite guy!
Angelica -- breathtaking. Thanks for creating and sharing.
Cootiedoc #143, Love your poetry for The VOICE. My favorite line…
Beauty , a perception
Of sound so pleasing.
(I rarely have to “look” at David to know he is gorgeous)!
Angelica,
I frequent this site as much as possible, yet, due to time constraints, have not posted for almost a year. Tonight, I’m making the time to offer my gratitude for your video above--for the skill, effort, and love that so obviously went into it.
Though I’ve tried to understand others’ perspectives, I find myself bewildered by the tone and content of some of the recent comments here. Perhaps it is with sadness as a backdrop that I am especially touched as I watch your artful movie. I don’t cry easily.
Thank you for the continued support of David, always wrapped with your special brand of class or humor. He has given me gifts that I can never repay--and so have you.
Angelica,
This most recent video is beautiful. Thank you very much for taking the time and sharing your talent.
Morning!
Very sweet VIP story about Colbie’s concert -- yes, David’s in there…
http://taraandhowie.blogspot.com/2009/10/colbie-caillat-and-howie-day-anddavid.html
Angelica YES! Another beautiful video. You are truly gifted! Did you see the link I posted above about the contest? (#132) It’s not video, but graphic art just the same!
Want to see David on OPRAH?
Let her know here:
https://www.oprah.com/ord/plugform.jsp?plugId=216
You may want to mention his duet with Charice on his upcoming album…
Perhaps we can be loud enough in number to be noticed!
Looks like David may be coming to Easter PA?
From FOD:
says that the info isn’t on the website yet but woo hoo for east coaters if this is true???
there are clues for those who live in the area too!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0319931/board/flat/148700806?d=148772557&p=2#148772557
and
Woot here is the Theater!
Sherman Theater in Stroudsberg PA!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0319931/board/flat/148700806?d=148773368&p=3#148773368
They say it isn’t on the website yet!
Hey, where is everyone?
**hands wand back to abrra…
*catches WAND midair*
Thanks!
Abrra
angelica #134 and cootiedoc #143…. beautiful kudos to you both for sharing.
I want to make this comment as I see much of what has occurred this last week as a blurring of edges of what mature fans that frequent this site are concerned with.
The David/Jeff, Dad/Manager relationship is a topic some fans don’t discuss at all, some allude to, some fans hope for a factual and sensitive discussion at the appropriate time, and, then, on the other end of the continuum there are fans who are comfortable with sensationalizing the topic and mix together speculation, personal emotional response and hearsay as fact.
As a fan, where one ends up in all of this is based on one’s personal beliefs and values, one’s world view and how one handles their emotions and feelings.
It seems to be an accepted maxim if an artist has a career in the world of entertainment then there is “no holds barred” for topics of discussion and that those discussions can be fueled by escalating and emotionally charged speculation in all aspects of the artist’s life both personal and professional.
Add to the mix that a parent manages a child’s career, then the dreaded “stage” parent watch dogs search for the bleeding wound. All in all, this occupies, for the most part, the realm of pure gossip.
Frankly, as a fan, if I didn’t respect David, the person, at a very high level, I’d say, “oh well, that’s how it is in the entertainment world.”
However I am a fan, and I respect David for how he handles himself and the choices of topics he makes to bring to his fans attention. I don’t penalize him for his age. I don’t assume because he doesn’t know something he can’t learn it. Thus, I tread carefully in my discussion of these topics.
So, what is my opinion of David’s relationship to his father?
Fact: David is Jeff’s son.
Fact: David does not publicly discuss his relationship with his Dad save a few references after AI when interviewers asked direct questions about the Stand By Me incident and other rumors on AI.
Fact: Jeff was arrested for solicitation in January.
Fact: David is very close to his mother and siblings and has made more than a few loving comments about them publicly.
Hearsay: All the rest that I know arises out of others’ observations and speculations.
My Opinion:
• David and Jeff have a relationship.
• They are working on it like most sons and fathers—at what level, I wouldn’t know nor should I know. It is not my business.
• That relationship is especially challenged by what has been made public.
• I believe David is mature enough and of a high level of emotional intelligence when it comes to relationships to work through his issues, whatever they are.
• Public speculation about this relationship sits poorly in my world view – it is pure gossip.
• Speculation and gossip won’t help David work through issues, if any, with his relationship with his father.
So, then, what is my opinion of David’s relationship with his father-manager?
Fact: David said he had Jeff as a manager because he felt family would watch out for his interests at a deeper level.
Fact: Jeff has gone on some tours and not gone on others.
Fact: Jeff is less visible since Jingle Jam concerts of 2008.
Fact: Arsenio Hall and Naomi Judd have both publicly commented on Jeff’s managing of David during Star Search.
Fact: AI leaked to Associated Press the missed email/costly line for “Stand By Me” 24 hours after David’s performance. It hit various mediums including the “Today Show” within 6 days of the performance.
Fact: We have no idea what the terms of the contract are between Jeff, David and Azoff.
• Does Azoff have the last say on some or all decisions?
• Does Jeff have the say?
• Does David have the final word on everything?
Fact: Jeff has been involved in the Christmas Album.
My Opinion on the dynamics of father/manager relationship:
David, along with those he has chosen to surround himself with as the supporting team for his career, has accomplished since AI:
• Single: Crush -- Platinum
• Album: David Archuleta – Gold
• Jingle Tour
• Solo Tour
• McFly Tour
• Asia Appearances
• Demi/David Tour
• Solo Appearances
• ALMA award for Best New Artist
• Grammy nominations
• Christmas Album – release date 10/13/09
• Christmas 09 Concert Tour
• And more…….
And, so in my most humble opinion, when sorting all the chips on the opposing sides of the pros and cons scale and acknowledging my respect for David’s ability to handle himself and his career, I’d say the pros side of the scale tip heavily in favor of David managing his relationships quite impressively.
Do I need to be a watchdog howling David a warning at perceived “bogeymen” in his life?
No. I should choke on my own hubris if I thought I could even begin to do this. Not only am I not privy to all the facts but he doesn’t need me to point out the bogeymen in his life. He appears to recognize them and deals quite well with them from my observations.
Does that make me a fan that shuns discussing the “negative” or hides from adversity?
No. It makes me a fan that understands human dynamics and respects David strengths.
Now, for my FEELINGS and EMOTIONS on this topic:
If I had three magical wishes, I wish for David to have peace in all his relationships. I’d wish for fans to trust in his judgments and decisions. And, I’d wish to make everything smooth for him in his personal and professional life.
Ah, if that were within my power. It isn’t. Life isn’t fair. Adversity is part of life. It defines us, it makes us strong, and it teaches us valuable lessons. It can gain or lose us friendships.
A true measure of a human is how he or she deals with adversity. David has shown us his true measure, his great worth.
From this fan’s viewpoint, the edges of being a fan aren’t blurred. The edges begin and end with David music, his artistry and respect for the man himself. As for all of the other, it will follow. I have faith in this young man.
Kizzi #162 AMEN
Angelica and Kizzi Thanks for your positive influence. I appreciate your love and respect for David and his fans. I kept hoping you would show up!! I wish I could express myself as well. And thanks to you Silverfox for the nightly prayer and support. Kizzi, I’ve always seen you as the voice of reason, even back to the ND days. I share your viewpoint!!
Kizzi (and others), if and when there is another questionable decision by David’s management, perhaps then would be the best time to engage with this topic again. Because otherwise we’re just talking to each other about when it is “right” to talk about these things, when nothing is currently at issue. (Unless you are arguing for an absolute policy of strict silence on Jeff’s managing role, which I assume you are not.) Furthermore, we want to avoid defining who is a “mature fan” or defining -- intentionally or unintentionally -- who here “supports” David, because it makes some feel like they are less “fans” if they don’t meet that standard. In reality, we all are fans and supporters of David Archuleta.
For now, the Christmas CD description has been changed, and I believe that is a good thing. If anyone wants to disagree with that, feel free. But I’m inclined to move on.
ronaldsf. Rascal posted at #84 this: “Is it open season on Jeff Archuleta here at TDC? You bet your who-is-that-ass-in-the-room it is.” Did that change?
My post wasn’t discussing management. It was discussing the relationship. I read my post again because I went to pains to make that clear.
So are you saying it isn’t ok to discuss the relationship now?
And to clarify, “mature” means as in age. Also, my post was my perspective, an explanation of my thoughts; if it appeared as a criticism, my sincere apologies.
oh my heck ronaldsf… I’ve tried to stay below the radar or above the fray or out of the loop or whatever you want to call it since the ass arrived in the room and I will continue to refrain on that, but I can’t help asking……
was comment #165 intended to offer kizzi advice as to when to comment and what to comment on? perhaps we should don a uniform and play some marching music in the background when we read TDC from now on…….
And to clarify one other thing, I don’t believe in absolute silence on any topic; I judge by the situation. I believe that when discussing sensitive issues one should ascertain the facts as differentiated from learned opinion and total speculation and make that clear in their communications.
happy: I think ronald was just saying, can’t we end this? We know there are opposing views -- they’ve been going on for a week now. It was starting to quiet down. Personally, I’m sick of the whole thing. I’m tired of the good the bad and the ugly.
But certainly, people can post any darned thing they want.
Appreciate your thoughts today {{kizzi}} and ronald.
Am always in awe at how this man, albeit young, but definitely a man, so profoundly affects us.
I think Webster needs to update its’ definition of “love” and, after last nights stomachache tweet, “unpretentious,” and just put “David Archuleta” after both.
Sorry Marlie -- didn’t see a comment after Rascal’s Oct 2nd #84 comment that said this topic is dead. I need to polish up my mind reading skills. LOL
marlie7 . October 4, 2009 at 3:26 pm .
“But certainly, people can post any darned thing they want.”
Oh please let this link work?
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2306779
ARRRGHHH!
Abrra
Thanks Abrra -- I’ll take my cue from that.
Bye All!
Kizzi -- there obviously was no comment like that. I was just hoping it would die away. There is likely no coming to terms across all the different perspectives. I appreciate what everyone has said, for the most part.
The only thing that has soured me is the implication that some people are “better” fans than others -- “true” fans. I am not saying you did that at all -- just saying it has been played out here for the last week and guess I’ve just been blown away by it.
Some of the people that have had that leveled at them (and I don’t mean the admins here -- it’s open season on us) don’t deserve it.
Well, I am leaving the thread
, but Marlie just wanted to say thanks for your comment as I wanted to share my perspective, and I took great pains to be honorable in what I said in my earlier comment.
OK, now I am really gone from the thread.
Whaat?! We’re still talking about the Man in the Cap? Really?
Amazon.com nicely erased his name from the description. Let’s all follow suit.
We need some new David Music! Only 9 more days to go!!!!!!!!
Kizzi, ditto, ditto, & ditto.
Oh yes, and AMEN too!!!
Not that I ever had any regard for Jeff as a man. It would be hypocritical of me to say I wouldn’t mind seeing him front & center from now on. It would not be true. I would still cringe. But that’s totally MY problem and has no bearing on how I feel about David and my belief that David knows what he’s doing and will make decisions which will best benefit his family, himself and those who work for him. I also don’t think fansites have so much influence that David would actually make important decisions regarding his management based on their articles and/or comments. Unless he asks for opinions, I really think it’s ludicrous to think otherwise. Pats on the back for thinking otherwise would be laughable if it weren’t ludicrous as well.
Thank you Kizzi. You are AWESOMEAGE!
Kizzi, maybe you should have posted your comment on the latest “Short Takes” article (& mine too)…Cause in a round-about way, this subject is not yet a dead horse..not really.
Looking forward to seeing you in AC!!
The latest Short Take is ArchuWorld.
Happy #167 “DUM DUM TA DUM DUM TA DA DUM”…(sorry the uniform is too small)
Thanks Kizzi for your comments. Your perspective is a pleasure to read and I ditto SF’s ditto.
“From this fan’s viewpoint, the edges of being a fan aren’t blurred. The edges begin and end with David music, his artistry and respect for the man himself. As for all of the other, it will follow. I have faith in this young man.”
We are “just” fans of this incredible man, who gives us so much. I appreciate everyone of you, but have had issues with some of the presentation. Voicing my concerns is something I need to do, for myself….not to defend David’s managment.
Thanks Kizzi for your comments which I agree with. While I see your point, Marley and RonaldSF, and I too want to “move on” and actually have a Jeff-free discussion, what I find happens here is that many of us (some mostly-lurkers) tend to stay out of things and mull over what we have been reading on a topic for awhile and then finally pop in with our thoughts. Those thoughts are certainly worthwhile even if they come later in the thread. I hope that Kizzi realizes how appreciated (and for me agreed-with) her thoughts are and that she never stops posting no matter how others have “moved on”. Why it is sometimes that the more radical views are immediately ok but some of the “opposing?” views are jumped on.
collegemom: I don’t understand this line -- “Why it is sometimes that the more radical views are immediately ok but some of the “opposing?” views are jumped on.”
I read a Steven King short story once about two buddies who go camping or something way, way out from civilization. It happened at one point that one guy died. Heartbroken, sad, and lonely, his buddy buried him only to wake the following morning to his the dead guy sitting in a chair at the table. This continued to happen morning after morning. Why? The buddy didn’t realize that each night he dug his dead friend up and placed him in that very chair. Can you just imagine that! (see post #13).
Marlie, you are right. The Short Takes I meant was the one showcasing the change to the description of David’s “Christmas From The Heart” with you know who’s name removed and giving kudos to fans for the “cause & effect”. I already said what I think about THAT.
Done, fini, ya hasta.
We should start getting new tour dates this coming week. Some real cause for celebration. It seems like time is dragging for the rescheduled concerts to get here. And that’s exciting, the VIP part, but what I am REALLY looking forward to is another solo concert (or two, or three).
goboywonder183- brilliant. That sums it up for me.
Kizzi #166, sorry if my post came off as curt after what was clearly a post you put much thought in. It was short because I simply wanted to say it probably made sense to move on, and I didn’t want to counter or debate anything you said. My comment about not setting standards of what fans and supporters of David should do is directed to both sides of the debate -- both of whom have at times stated what they think fans or supporters of David should do. Regardless of my own position on this, it just seemed like the issue had been fully argued out.
Also, I believe an effort has been made to confine criticism of Jeff to his managing role and not to delve into his personal relationship with David. If you believe differently, I can see why. As you said, the line is blurred.
Lastly, thanks for clarifying your views.
Actually Marley (and I wish I knew how to edit here), what I meant to say is the harsher comments on the same topic seem to go through fine and then when Kizzi came in sort of answering with her ideas on the topic and was told to move on by some. I love it hear and don’t want anyone to feel less than welcome to express their thought even 100 posts below the more inflamatory posts. (and I realize that what inflames some is simply a “joke” to the author -- we all have our own strange point of reference and that is what makes this all so interesting).
ok vocab police on myself “here, hear” “there, their, they’re” “one, won” “site, sight” back to school
I would just remind folks that the Christmas CD description was changed after we had already gone long into this thread.
And of course, saying “let’s move on” is my opinion, as a member of this TDC community.
It ain’t a “dead horse” until it’s dead. I have found that it is human nature to want to discuss an issue as long as one feels one is “winning” the argument, and then declare the issue “dead’ when they ae not doing as well. There are a few issues being discussed here:
1) Should Jeff Archuleta be involved in David’s XMas CD and/or his career in general?
2) Is Jeff Archuleta a horse’s ass and /or a Mother F****r?
3) Should people who oppose the point of view of the Administrators of this site be allowed to breathe air on planet earth, much less post their dissenting opinions on matters relating to the artist that we are all here to love and respect?
4) What has Jeff Archuleta specifically done, in his capacity as Manager (not as father), to undermine, stymie, or minimize the career of his son, and who in the Business will not work with David as a result of his mismanagement? I have asked that question twice to the poster (Freofan) who claims to have first hand knowledge of this “fact”, and the silence has been deafening.
We’re not”beating a dead horse” as long as these questions are crying out to be answered.
I must correct my mistake…Saving Grace # 4 Angelica
Video at comment #134…Starting with the frame at 2:30 where David raises his head followed by the horse raising his, quite lovely. Each frame is breathtaking…
Abrra…translation of my comments can be acquired but perhaps not needed this time.
SB
No one is saying that this issue should be off limits for all time. I am just saying that if we return to this topic, then let it be when it seems like David’s management has blundered again.
That is my opinion. I think that comparing saying “I’m inclined to move on” (my post #165) to being a military commander or to not allowing others “to breathe air on planet earth” is a quite unserious comparison, to say the least. I told Kizzi that I’m sorry that it appeared as a slapping on the wrist for saying her views -- that was not my intention at all and I just felt like the best solution was for us to move on from this topic. That is simply what it was. It came after her comment because her comment came up after it seemed like things had quieted down. I could have chosen to delete Kizzi’s comment, but I didn’t. (No one’s comments have been deleted while addressing this whole issue.) I feel that Kizzi genuinely means what she says and it would appall me, the idea of deleting such a comment.
As far as I’m concerned, the Christmas CD description was changed and it is now clear that David’s management (yes, including Jeff) will listen to honest concerns from David’s fans. I consider that a good thing, and I see no reason to press this further at the moment.
This is my last comment on this topic for now.
Sorry, David’s head was bent…like the horse…eye catching.
As far as I’m concerned, the Christmas CD description was changed and it is now clear that David’s management (yes, including Jeff) will listen to honest concerns from David’s fans. I consider that a good thing, and I see no reason to press this further at the moment.
Thank you, Ronald.
Thank you Kizzi. PS: Did you attend the Tampa David/Demi concert? I saw a really lovely distinguished looking couple that I almost went up to, but it would have been a bit bizarre, so I did not.
cootiedoc, I would be remiss if I failed to comment on your lovely poetry, The Voice, espcially since it beautifully describes the “Essence of David”.
desertrat, I think the Billboard list you posted seems to indicate that David & Co. are doing many things right as far as his career is concerned.
Angelica, I just wanted to add to my earlier comment about your latest video. It is very serene and calming. It reminds me who this is all about. Thanks again.
An emply house. I hate squabbles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t-bpP2sL_U
Not sure I have the energy to get into this discussion, but I did want to say that I appreciated Kizzi’s comments. Things may have quieted down here, but some of the silence may have been caused by continued frustration. In my real world relationships, hurt lives on whenever the issue is unresolved.
(In this case, I suppose I would consider the issue to be who is allowed to say what, when and how on this site.)
Not sure that we can ever agree on specifics, but it is nice to know that opinions differing from the Admins are welcome.
I was really going to keep quiet, but I can’t.
Everyone is hurt. Everyone feels like crap. What was intended as humor became some kind of moral war. Who is right, who is wrong. Who is a true fan, who isn’t. Who is speculating, who knows inside information, but won’t share it. The whole thing sickens me.
I have loved you all, and still do. I would like to be able to disagree and not get whapped and accused of “something”. I’m sure you all would, too. I don’t know how to end it. I can’t in good conscience say that I have changed my position. I haven’t. But if I offended you (any of you) I am truly sorry.
This discussion has devolved into personal insults, territorial stances and statements of self-righteous indignation -- along the entire spectrum of opinion. No one is innocent here. There are chins in the air (I dare you, that stance communicates), and perhaps digits as well. I know I have felt angry and I imagine many of you have, too. It sucks, doesn’t it?
I don’t care about winning, and I don’t care about losing. This isn’t a winners and losers game. This is about our ability to come back together as a community. I want that. I don’t know about anyone else.
I agree that we all agree to disagree but if someone disagrees, I can respect that too.
goboywonder:
Nice, feel good songs:
Taking at side the fact some posters here are not any confidence in Jeff behavoir, i gonna said :
1.That even with this fact every fan ¨wish for David to have peace in all his relationships.¨, so is not right to presume that the criticisme made to Jeff is the same that want to see their relationship fail.
2.I think is very important to stop this categorization( sorry i don,t even know if this word exist in english, if not forgive me in avance) of the good fans or bad fans,real fans or hipocrytes ,lovely fans o rude fans just because we have some desagreements in some issues….i exposed my opinion in a very respecful way so i can’t accept this.
3.I don’t think that the change in the album description is because one fansite had a discussion about that subjet, we still an small % , then maybe the feedback they receive come from others sources than this sites, like comments in the nonfansites or journals or magasins or critics from musics sites even a conscientious decision from his label and producers of the album; why ? because for the media( or some media) David need to gain some credibility already like solo creative agent of his work. if you read the comments or review from his first work you know what i mean.
Saying this , Peace everybody i really enjoy the free but respecful opinion even if is not the same that mine.
BTW -- Angelica Great video , i didn’t knew Susan can sing that beautiful ( inever pay attention to her life post Xfactor)
And if someone in interesed a new date in PA nearly to NY? credit to Frogcooke in IDF -- link http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0319931/board/flat/148700806?d=148772192&p=2#148772192
Good Night!
DavidfanLIZ--So sorry your question to the TDC classroom wasn’t able to be discussed, but thank you for presenting it. David has certainly etched these two great works of art in every ones memory.
Angelica--Promise to never stop making videos, you have a very special knack in putting together songs and pictures to convey the love and emotion we all have for David.
cootiedoc--
There must be a
Loving Being, so kind
To humor me with this
And a chuckle, a demeanor
A humility, and a smile
A character, and a kindness
Molded into one
To match the soothing voice
An inspired creation.
All your words in this poem are beautiful, but these really smacked me where i live, as they are SO true.
Thanks to all the wonderfully talented people that contribute so much to this site.
Goboywonder…love the videos, especially David’s.
Marlie, I have always had the highest regard & respect for you..and still do. I hope you know that!
Good night all, and for David..
Dear lord,
Please take care of David.
Watch over him, protect him from all harm.
Cloak him with your love and give him the strength to endure all that is thrown in his path.
Give David the courage and guidance to say no to those who ask for more than he can reasonably give.
Surround David with loving and supportive people who love him unconditionally as we, his devoted Archangels do.
Separate David from those who have agendas other than for his well being.
Give him rest when he feels weary.
Give him stamina to sustain his hectic pace.
Give him assurance when he feels doubt.
Give him joy when he feels sad and never allow David to feel alone or lonely.
GIVE US THE WISDOM TO ALWAYS DO RIGHT BY DAVID.
OPEN OUR EYES AND HELP US IN THE WAY WE SUPPORT DAVID SO THAT IT’S ALWAYS IN HIS BEST INTERESTS.
Cloak him always in your protective arms during this time on his journey.
Keep David and and his voice healthy and strong as he fulfills his Destiny which was written in his Book of Life before he was born.
Though we may be unworthy Lord, we humbly pray. Amen
David, have a good night’s sleep with sweet & happy dreams. Thank you for all you do and for who you are. Keep with you all our love, support & prayers always.
Contigo siempre en la distancia, con amor!
SF, thank you and thanks for the prayer.
SF -- thank you! Glad to see the prayer on the front page. We all need it.
It seen to me that when David is not touring,some fans are so preocupied for his personal bussiness,so management better harry up and put up the Christmas/Winter tour dates that way we can star planing and forget about these sour discussions.
Don’t you think?
Lets focus on the 13th.Are we there yet?
This group has much too much life experience to let a “family” disagreement create any kind of division. Shoot, this is child’s play compared to the war between my husband and I in the bathroom every morning!
The tie that binds is stronger than any loose ends hanging around. (well, you know what I mean.)
…as long as we don’t wrap them around each other’s neck.
(haha!)
Didn’t we hear the album will be out on itunes on the 9th?
Am sitting in itunes line in my lawn chair with my hot thermos and snuggli. Can’t wait!!!
I dunno if this has been posted but am sure some of us have read Yvette’s 3-part story re her experience spending a day with David while Malaysia.
She posted a vid just recently — lots of moments to laugh about and to be in awe on how much he has grown
bubbly: I just google mapped the trip from my house to Stroudsburg, PA, just in case, ya know? 3 hours -- ha!
bubbly -- #207 Not cool your comment, a little harsh to my taste, but i agree we need the dates.
emmiegirl -- #208 Not in itunes, but in amazon.com mp3 version
tibitis, thanks for the info. I’m in the wrong line!
I don’t see harshness on previous comment,just trying to bring peace in the house.
marlie7,Stroud,PA might be my chance to see David for the first time,we’ll see.
emmiegirl: I’m surprised there is nothing on iTunes for the Christmas album. Did the David Archuleta album come out on Amazon first, too?
tibitibis
“I think is very important to stop this categorization( sorry i don,t even know if this word exist in english…
Yes, that is a word!
I don’t post often any more, but I just had to respond. I do read often though, and I love to read your posts. It is so impressive how well you express yourself and how much your English has grown over the months.
peace
tibitibis . October 4, 2009 at 9:28 pm .
In your own way you cut to the heart of an issue. I find it AWESOMAGE how well you communicate. I appreciate that you leave drama at the door when you write on issues. You are my favorite poster!
Abrra
Rascal #84 last paragraph…Bwahahahahahhahahahahaha!!!
emmiegirl #208, where have we heard the album will become available on October 9th? I’d be surprised if that were true -- I always thought that most albums get released on Tuesdays.
Need to know this, so I can plan my David listening party
RONALD -- yes it will be available for downloading on the 9th from AMAZON, not iTunes (yet…)
http://www.amazon.com/Christmas-From-The-Heart/dp/B002QUPD04/ref=mb_oe_o
Ok, breathe peeps, breathe… I know that means less than a week to nirvana for most of you guys.
ANGELICA -- no emoticons for “we’re not worthy” but imagine me doing that over your latest vid
TIBI -- I always look forward to you post. Thanks for taking the time to share with us your opinions
kizzi #162 -- I loved your post. Ditto on everything you said.
Angelica- You always make such beautiful videos, thank you.
cootiedoc- (you must really post the resoning behind that on the “Reason for my Screen Name” thread) Thank you for sharing your lovely poem. I believe David’s group are the most creative of all fandom.
Now here is an article from the Daily Dayton News that challenges the view that only the Disney crowd likes David-
“SOUND JUDGMENT: When players [Ohio State Buckeyes] come out on the field for pregame stretching and workouts an hour or so before the game, most have iPods with ear buds. In between knee bends and pass routes, they stand in one spot and kind of bounce around to the latest hits by Lady Ga Ga, David Archuleta, the Black-Eyed Peas or U2.”
And this too shall pass…
Especially when we get our first full song leaked from CFTH!
Angelica -- I have so much respect for your creativity. Your videos are inspiring but alas I have “zero creativity” and the best I can do is show my appreciation for this art that you do.
Are you, like me, in waiting mode, until Oct.9th. Can’t believe it’s so close!
If it’s not too much trouble could someone post the link for that VULNERABLE MAN video. Abrra knows how much I like this one too.
Have a great morning everyone!
ram and everyone else who has been so kind in your remarks about my video,
Thank you so much! They are very labor intensive but I am never happier than when working on them. I don’t know if this will work and am surprised I could even go to Mediafire at work but here ya go. Vulnerable Man.
http://www.mediafire.com/?zc2jomg3czz
I haven’t posted much lately -- especially with all the drama that has gone on here in the last few days, BUT……Angelica, (134), you blew me away with that video. It was just stunning. Additionally, Susan Boyle’s rendition of “Wild Horses” was extremely beautiful. When I heard her sing “I Dreamed a Dream of Time Goes By,” I thought it was very good, but, other interpretations have been just as good. However, “Wild Horses” was pretty special and your video just enhanced the experience oh so much. Now can you just imagine what David could do with that song??
Saw David’s latest tweet about doing the P90X workout. Have you guys seen this?
http://www.beachbody.com/product/fitness_programs/p90x.do?code=P90XDOTCOM
We might see a brand-new David in 90 days. Well, if the product claims are true lol. Oh my!
Just noticed something *else* is different on Amazon’s Christmas CD page… the clip of the DA/Pempengco duet starts in a different place. I’m hoping that’s because they’re remixing it so that Pempengco isn’t blasting loud and David relatively soft. F’pete’s sake, it *is* David’s CD. If Miley can mix David almost *out* of hers, David could at least have equal levels on his.
JR -- my Amazon page still says Oct. 13. Are you looking at different availability from where you are?
JR -- went to your link. Yes, you *are* looking at different date. Odd. (Maybe my page is cached? Going off to clear it….)
Highervibe, I just checked it out: the MP3 download is available Oct. 9, while the CD is available Oct. 13. Wooooweeeee!
Liz: Will be ready for this? I don’t quite know lol!
highervibe: My Amazon page says “original release date, October 9, 2009″ But the click-order bar for the mp3 says -- Available on October 13th.
I just noticed that Ave Maria is 5 MINUTES, 42 SECONDS! We’ll be all daid…
OK, found my way to mp3 page. (Doh!) Cancel #228 and #229. (And no, Abrra, I’m not trying to steal your wand!)
Marlie7, I just noticed that too. So apparently the MP3 release date is the same: October 13th. Aww okay…
OK, Oct. 9 it is. At least we can agree on *something*! heh heh
HAHAHAHAHA -- too funny!! Yes, we have no agreement!! hahaha
I wonder if it would be considered by the administrators to have the “Wild Horses” video created by Angelica, to be at the top on the right of the opening page so that anyone who comes on to the site can view the materpiece? It would give great credability to any site along with the creative writing.
It is awesome to see the collaboration that has been brought together of The Rolling Stones Wild Horses, the voice of Susan Boyle and the images of David Archuleta.
It is a masterpiece and needs to be hung on the wall in everyone’s view. There are so many lovely creations involved in the artistry of David, that perhaps more can be viewed without searching back through the numbers of comments or having it lost in the archives.
SB
highervibe . October 5, 2009 at 2:54 pm .
/shifty eyes
*clutches* WAND to chest!
Abrra
We have now masters of creative video making and they all would be a geat addition.
SB
SB: I think we’d be delighted to have the video on the site. We need to check with Angelica, first, though, as I had originally wanted to do a Short Take on it, but we got a little off track.
{{{{Hugs SF}}}}
I wanted to thank everyone for their kind comments about my comment yesterday.
You all, cra-zi-ly enough, seem to be “parte de mi alma.”
Abrra…Do you rent out your WAND???
SB
marlie #239…several of the TDC members including yourself have created videos and it would be nice to have them featured in their own place, a place that would have these videos with easy access and be there at the beginning when the site opens. Just a thought.
We have so talked a lot and music videos created by members would be a change. Not to get in the way of the much enjoyed Chat Channel where the videos are 24/7, but to feature TDC creative artists.
SB
SB: I love that idea. Let me work it out technically -- not a big deal, but I should put a little thought into it -- and make it so.
That would also allow our video creators to have a place to put those that youtube will not accept.
I love the idea of a special place for videos made by TDCers.
BTW, new post —->
rocketdog -- #215
Aw! thanks , your comment mean a lot to me, it feels sooooo GOOD to know i doing better in my english.! thanks again.
Abrra -- #216. Thanks , i find your comment AWESOMAGE too.
jackryan4da -- #219 Thanks and i appreciate too much the work you do for this site.
Have we straightened out the album release dates? Ok to be sure, take note that amazon lists CFTH 2 ways:
FIRST:
http://www.amazon.com/Christmas-Heart-David-Archuleta/dp/B002LLDT9U/ref=pd_rhf_p_t_2
W/ THE FF PRODUCT DETAILS:
Audio CD (October 13, 2009)
Original Release Date: October 13, 2009
Number of Discs: 1
Label: Jive
ASIN: B002LLDT9U
In-Print Editions: MP3 Download
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #61 in Music (See Bestsellers in Music)
Popular in this category:
#2 in Music > Miscellaneous > Holiday > Opera & Vocal
SECOND:
http://www.amazon.com/Christmas-From-The-Heart/dp/B002QUPD04/ref=pd_rhf_p_t_1
WITH THE FF PRODUCT DETAILS:
Original Release Date: October 9, 2009
Label: Jive
Copyright: (P) 2009 19 Recordings limited under exclusive license to RCA/JIVE Label Group
Total Length: 56:25
Genres: Miscellaneous/Holiday
ASIN: B002QUPD04
Hope this clarifies everything. Hate to see anyone missing out on the mp3 download on the 9th — that’s 3 days away from where I am!!! [bummer that i cannot order online
]
We all know David needs a big boost for this CD so please if you can afford: download the mp3 album to create the stir and buy the physical CD to bring and ring out the whole shebang in the marketplace.