Comments on: Let’s Play a Game

By: davidfanLIZ

davidfanLIZ — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:04:03 +0000

It looks like just about everything that can be said on this thread has been said. We’ll be closing comments and moving on to the current topics.
Thanks!

By: marlie7

marlie7 — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:58:55 +0000

Bliss: There was only one proposal – charity and all. One rejection – charity and all. Please don’t make suppositions about the facts of this effort and pass them off as “it appears”.

By: davidfanLIZ

davidfanLIZ — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:55:37 +0000

The admins here worked hard for a number of weeks to put together a special event for the extended blogging community. The charity aspect was there almost from the beginning. Since it was a private event, there was no possibility of sharing the information until everything was in place. Negotiations with all the proper channels had been ongoing for some time, and we were ready to sign a formal contract. Then suddenly we were told that management had no interest in the event. We were bummed, of course, but there are no sour grapes here. We actually hope to try again in the future.

Again, the impetus for the article was the inclusion of management’s name in the promotional materials.

By: blisskasdan

blisskasdan — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:38:39 +0000

Tibitibis, thanks for your feedback. My position is very clear to me. I am a fan of David Archuleta. I love his music and I love him. I don’t know him personally and he does not know me.He is in the music business. That means that he, like all artists, have a management team that guides him and promotes his talent and “sells” it to the public. It is no different from any other artist or celebrity. We either “buy” it or we don’t. Fortunately for David and his fans, people are “buying” him, and that allows him to continue to make albums and appear at concerts. If they weren’t, he’d be Sanjaya.

I love the fact that the people at TDC wanted to have David perform at a private function for his many adoring fans on this site. I would have shelled out whatever it took to be there. A proposal to management was made, and for whatever reason , was rejected. What a bummer!
I don’t have all the facts , but it appears that when the initial proposal was rejected, the concept was repackaged to coincide with MS Crush, one of David’s many charities. Again, it was rejected by management,. for whatever reason.

Not to appear cynical and/or harsh, but here goes. When the proposal was rejected, was there any attempt by the promoters of that event to raise money from the fans here and still give money to David’s charity? It seems that unless David would perform for us, his charity would have to go elsewhere for their funding.If I am wrong, I apologize, but no full explanation of the circumstances surrounding this proposed event was ever published on TDC, so I am filling in some blanks.

Out of the blue, Rascal’s article appears, complete with numerous pictures of a horse’s ass, and direct references to Jeff Archuleta as being the ass in question. Since Jeff had been pretty much out of the limelight since his “incident in Utah”, I found it odd that such a scathing diatribe would appear at this time. Frankly, it sounds like sour grapes.

Although I find these “serious” issues interesting to discuss and debate (sometimes heatedly), my main focus is always the joy that I feel from David and his sharing with all of us his unique and wonderful talent. I feel blessed, and in some ways, reborn, since I’ve connected to this handsome young man with the golden voice and heart. The other stuff pales in comparison. Look at David’s beaming smile on that stage the other night. Management, shmanagement!

By: davidfanLIZ

davidfanLIZ — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:22:55 +0000

Bliss – Actually I consider it part of the job of a blog to report, to criticize, to make fun of, to celebrate – all aspects of the management and career of our beloved artist. If we were just passive fans, there would be nothing to talk about. BORING! Certainly reporting actions of management falls within that parameter. I don’t think any of the admins use the criteria of “showing an article to David” before it is published. We don’t have grand illusions of creating change, but we do have a sense of what issues should be discussed. Okay – this particular article was in-your-face, but come on guys, it was also freakin’ hilarious. Guess some of us have a different sense of humor. I can live with that.

One more thing bliss – no one was put in their place. The motivation for the article came not from the concert cancellation, but from the last straw of the manager’s name featured prominently in the promotional materials. There was a choice made to put across this point in a less-than-serious way.

Again – your constant battling and use of insults is tiresome. You are a guest in this house.

By: tibitibis

tibitibis — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:39:47 +0000

?????Auch!:( Bliss, gonna post again , because in all this discussion i don’t se any hard expression to make reference to the person you defend(well only the main post). And i find your post a litte harsh with the people who don’t share your opinion. at least for me is Ok if you think all is right and perfect and is Ok too if your opinion is that something need to change.
I can understand if people are mad with the lenguage used in the main post.
I can understand if we don’t go to the personal live of David and David’s family, but this is not the case we talk about the management and the manager, pass that is his father too.
I can understand we have different perceptions about David’s management and about the role of Jeff in the public image of David. No, most of fans are not experts in the subjet that doesn’t mean we can send the feedback about the estrategies used to make grow up his career, in fact is what the fans of any artist do usally, chat in the fansite about the good and about the not that good.
Almost all the fans, even who don’t like Jeff believe David gonna be big, because he has a big talent and all this fans gonna continue to support his career , even if sometimes we gonna make some criticismes, and i really think David can handle very well.
Not nobody has the last word here and nobody have the absolute truth (verdad absoluta), not you i certainly not me.
I know you are a big poster here and my call is only to be fair in this discussion,we are differents persons with differents opinions and point views and i glad we can share them and discuss with the respect all of us merit here.
saying that i,m gled both of us can express thats point views in a mature way and site.So Thanks TDC for that.
Now i really move on (well i actually move on since yesterday)
Peace.

By: blisskasdan

blisskasdan — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:46:42 +0000

Songbird, I’m with you on this. For some reason, the “fans” here think they are entitled to
have input concerning the manner in which David is managed. It’s as if fans of a baseball team feel they should be consulted before a pitcher is taken out of the game or a pinch hitter is used. The word “fan” used to be synonymous with “spectator”. Now, fans think they should be part of the team that determines what occurs in an artists life. When they are “put in their place”, which is what happened here with that “Charity” event, they look for villains and demonize them (him) for doing so.

BTW, tickets for the tarring and feathering of Jeff are on sale on Ticketmaster as we speak

By: jackryan4da

jackryan4da — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 06:38:28 +0000

Am not an expert of international media press, particularly in the US but let me share this when david was here 6 full days & 5 nights. Not once did we see Jeff with David in an official photograph. He was always at the back somewhere. But he was there. Ray was the one always prominently shown with David.

There was one photo/video taken that had Jeff in it but that was in the radio station and it was not even a real photo opp cos it was taken by the girls gifted by their father to be on the other side of the radio booth while David was being interviewed. Am not even sure Jeff was aware they were being photograophed/videotaped. Am sure david was cos he said hello to the girls through the glass.

Don’t get me wrong. Am not beholden to Jeff. I was one of those who was harsh on him on Archuleta Philippines because of his indiscretion. I said mhy piece once and to me that was enough.

So, why am I bringing this up? Because perhaps his “prominence” may also have to do with the kind of media that we have. You just have to choose whether you want to play their game.

By: Songbird70

Songbird70 — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 04:38:51 +0000

Disappointed…I used to be a regular and I stopped because of this type of debate / negativity. I pop in every once in a while to check on the postings and it always seems that when I do there are several posters concerned about David’s management, marketing, career path, etc. DAVID IS FINE. DAVID IS A SUCCESS. DAVID IS DESTINED TO BE AN EVEN GREATER SUCCESS. DAVID WILL BE A MUSIC LEGEND BEFORE HE IS DONE. DAVID WILL WORK OUT HIS MANAGEMENT. What we, his fans need to learn is PATIENCE!!!!! I have said from the beginning that it will be David’s 2nd or maybe 3rd album that will catapult him to superstardom. I love the excitement from this group and the recognition of true musical genius but I find these debates exhausting. I came tonight expecting postings about the joy on David’s face while on stage with Brooke, Michael Johns and Paul Benton. I am so sad to have found this. Did I miss something in the media beyond the announcement of the CD? Is Jeff going to trial or something? Is there going to be a tarring and feathering that I missed?

Relax, please.

By: marlie7

marlie7 — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:39:37 +0000

I posted a new Short Take last night. We have a new Feature post – a gorgeous piece of writing by Ronald. This post is rolling off. Then Liz posted a lovely Fable with a beautiful picture of a serene forest.

If you want this topic to go away, stop commenting. It will slide off the radar unless you keep bring it to the forefront. If you want it in the forefront, then by all means, keep commenting.