RASCAL!!- we missed you!!

happy~nothing to really sink your teeth into???..did I read that??..hmm….that made me chuckle…sorry..

Rascal! Welcome home! So glad I checked back here tonight. I’m not likin the hair in the new photos either, my new avator reflects that….among other things. ha. And you are so right about the teen mag cutsie pie photos. They are for me cringe worthy. I hate to see him being portrayed that way and hope he realizes sooner rather than later that image means so much. I know he wants to be taken seriously as the genuine artist he is.

I just found this on a local station. Thought some of you might want to listen to it. It is a song from Brooke White’s album…called “Free”.

http://www.iheartmusic.com/new2/featured/f/1735

Rascal, welcome back. I’m sorry to hear about your financial difficulties – this economy situation is hitting just about everyone I know in one way or the other.

I totally agree with you about this teen mag thing. I hate it and feel that David has got to somehow remove himself from these images he’s portraying. I wonder if it feels embarrassing to him. It kind of reminds me of the time on Idol when Ryan brought up all those young girls, (and I mean kids), from the audience who wanted to hug him. David looked like he wanted to crawl under his chair. To me, this teen mag thing, is just as embarrassing.

Oh!..and the photos, liked them but also hated the hair.

Hi Rascal, good to see ya back. I agree with you about holding stuffed animals for pictures…once again the tweens are the target age I guess. What bothers me is how someone like brittany spears can be taken as a serious artist and David not be. Her new album songs “Womanizer” and “Circus” are just annoying and proves she can’t sing. “Circus” sounds like something out of a circus…with the weird music and sounds that seem to have not came from any musical instrument I have ever heard of. This just shows the state of pop music today. The weirder the music the better it does on the charts. Anything different does well…so you would think David would stand out even more to everyone because he is different than most…the guy can sing and has musical taste! A while back I had the pleasure (LOL) of watching the Jo Bros on live tv. That was not pleasant. They are very popular right now. Even though they are cute, dress cool, play instruments…they have 6 working vocal chords between them and they still can’t carry a tune in a bucket! David has 1 normal functioning chord and 1 not quite up to par and he still beats the crap outta those guys LOL!!!

I loved the photos BUT they are definately VANILLA!
Kind of 50′s looking. I just figured, they were that way because the mag is called Square- and seems to be a pretty conservative magaizine. Honestly- I was just glad
it was not a teen mag! I think David can singlehandedly make being square really cool and hot. ( is that a contradiction?)

Now on the issue of the teen/tween market. I am glad they love him- and I think part if it is being driven by his popularity with that age group and the magazines which seem to be published weekly! My concern is he is SO MUCH MORE and I feel like they are going the easy route because they cannot quite figure out how to market to the rest of the market who will be blown away him. I get concerned when I hear radio/tv/press just describe him as a “teen heartthrob”, as he definatley is being categorized like ( those are the only ones he would appeal to)

Well I am just rambling here. All I know is there is a whole lot of non-teens, who see his amazing musical instincts and one- of a kind voice.

Sorry about your work/business. Gosh hard times for so many world wide. David A is certainly bright spot during these tough times.

One more thing…I don’t enjoy seeing David in those teen magazines even though he is still a teen…BUT those tweens and teens who buy those magazines are the same ones who have made Miley, Jo Bros, and Taylor major famous and filthy rich! Disney caters to the tweens and teens and they are the ones who buy so much of their music to start with, and once those cd sales reach a certain number others begin to take notice…such as media, which leads to more promotion, radio stations play their music more…which leads to even more sales…whether it is teens or adults buying it does not matter in the end because the main thing is the sales numbers.

ebonyangel – thanks for the Cook college tour scoop. I actually don’t think this really makes sense for him. I haven’t been in college for a few years (ugh) but his style – similar to Nickelback or Lifehouse – doesn’t really fit with my memory of what college kids like. I remember more offbeat alternative/modern rock being more popular. Jack’s Mannequin, which was also listed on that page, matches more with my recollections of the genre preferred by college kids. But, I suppose this could have changed…

For our David’s tour I’m still holding out hope that he will get a plum spot opening for a more established artist of his caliber. I still want David to continue to grow his fanbase and experiment with what works for him while performing live. John Legend has said he is trying to broaden his appeal and his new song “Green Light” is getting airplay on my Top 40 station – now that would be a great double bill!

Night, all!

Little M #10
I just listened to Barriers at 1:33. The only thing I heard (with my ear buds on) was David sort of speaking the lyric he was also singing. Could that be it?
Barriers is one of my favorites.

I must say that I really loved these pictures, especially the black and white shots. I do think his hair was styled this way to make him appear “square” and a bit nerdy all in a fun sense. David is just so gorgeous that portraying him as square only makes him more appealing!

Hi RASCAL!!! You have been sorely missed We understand though, that businesses nowadays can be in a bit of a tizzy… the nature of the beast rears its ugly head again buy things will level off at some point. It has too

I am also not over the moon re the pix cos they appear to be “feminine” for my taste? Don’t like the hair too but am liking the white shirt effect, hence my avi. But I suppose that’s what the mag is all about? Being Square? Talk about pushing his dorkiness to new heights. LOL

Am just glad to hear from you, RASCAL.

Soon we will hear again from David, too. Vlog and Hard Rock Cafe performance. Can’t wait (waving to HAPPY and company – have a blast!!!)

Good morning all! Rascal, it’s great to see a new post from you.

However, I’m going to agree with bakyspritz here. I thought the Matt Clayton photos were gorgeous myself. It’s the whole black-and-white thing that captures David’s eyes so vividly.

As for the teen mag stuff, I mean, seriously, what person who is inclined to take music seriously would really be reading teen mags? They’re designed for tweens and teens, not us. The only reason why the non-teen/tweens have access to such teen mag photos is because the Archie fanbase is a generous and hungry one and we’ll share any and everything about David.

If it weren’t for the Internet, I wouldn’t even see these images from J-14 (or whatever it’s called). Are you kidding me? So, I’m not seeing the teen promo stuff as a problem right now. David is mad cute, and I think it makes sense that he’d be appearing in such mags because, guess what? He’s a teen. If he were not appearing in such magazines, we should all be worrying.

I’m just not seeing the long-term negativity of this. When I was a tween/teen, respected actors like Johnny Depp and Ricky Shroeder were regularly featured in these teen rags. And, when I was a tween/teen, I swooned over their photos. But back then, just like with the teen idols I swooned over, we all “thought like a child, spoke like a child” and all that stuff, but when we grew up, we “put away childish things” behind us.

I’m still a crazy Johnny Depp fan, and my bragging rights, when I talk to fellow Depp fans, has always been “I’ve been into him since 21 Jump Street!” When I was still a Tom Cruise fan, the one-up-manship my peers and I used to play went along the lines of something like this:

“I’ve been into him since Risky Business!”

“Oh yeah! Well, I’ve been into him since Taps!”

“I’ve got you all beat. The Outsider. That’s how long I’ve been into The Cruise.”

All this is to say? Those same teens/tweens, who buy these rags to get the latest photos of David Archuleta, when they get to my age, will probably be having the same conversations.

“I’ve been into David since his first album!”

“I’ve been into David since American Idol!”

“I got you all beat. I’ve been a David fan since Star Search!”

And that’s as far as the influence goes, I think. And, seriously, ageism is a powerful thing. The bottom line is, as long as he’s an adorable teen, which translates to “pretty boy,” he is not going to be taken seriously.

Pretty boys often have to prove themselves, which usually takes the form of doing something to “rough up” their image and get a little gritty and edgy. Or, to get all weird and quirky. Weird and quirky worked for Johnny Depp. Being edgy by appearing on NYPD Blues worked for Ricky Shroeder.

For David, this transformation will have to be felt in his music. We may get something with more heft with Album #2 (we all know the “virtues of 2″), or we may have to wait until Album#3. Music is the only avenue in which David will be able to establish himself as a serious artist. So, my complaints (if I have any) will always rest on the kind of music his label gives him to do.

The teen rags mean nothing if you’re not a tween or teen. (Although, Rascal, I will agree that cuddling a stuffed dog does nothing to make him be taken seriously as a teen idol. The girls his age will want to babysit him, not date him!)

Matt Clayton pictures…IMO-best photographs of David yet. He captured David beautifully.

As for the teen magazine spreads…these teens will grow up to be adults and hopefully they will continue to love David as he matures. He is evolving as we speak. I’m just glad he didn’t go the Disney route.

Rascal: My thoughts are with you – sending positive vibes!

On the Clayton photos – just as a layperson on photography, they seem really well done. And what impressed (or thrilled) me so much was not what I either saw or didn’t see as Clayton’s viewpoint. But, rather what I see in David. I see a confidence and humor that is breathtaking. I see an increase in his comfort level. I see him having fun and enjoying himself. For those reasons, I love these photos. Maybe they are not anything new (like Elle?) from the standpoint of the layout, but I see something new in David. I also love that he agreed to do it in the first place. “Square” mag, LOL! Seems David has a real understanding of himself & his adorkable image.

I wanted to add: Even though the mag does have its own mission statement and audience readership in mind, I DO like the article itself. I like the tone of the article and it does a good job of capturing the vibe of David’s day in a thoughtful way.

“It’s time for David to decide what his intentions are, and make certain that the people who work for him are carrying out his wishes.”

“Wake up David…..”

Let’s see. David just turned 18 a few weeks ago. I remember when I was 18. If an adult seriously said to me, “decide what your intentions are” and “wake up,” I would be so lost and without a clue as to what you mean.

Intentions? At 18?! David’s enjoying the ride right now and the opportunities that come with this sudden exposure. If you must scold someone, please SCOLD HIS MANAGEMENT! They’re the ones in a position to have some knowledge and wherewithal concerning David’s long-term career.

David for the moment is, I’m sure, still a bit overwhelmed to be thinking discriminately about which magazine photo shoot he should pose for and which TV appearance or concert performance will benefit him. Even if he were 28, I don’t think he’d know the best decisions to make, if he were new to the game, which is why artists hire agents, publicists, management, etc.

I totally get the impatience, frustration, and dissatisfaction with how David is being marketed right now. Most of us NDers are the “adult” market, and I can understand the feeling that we’re somehow discounted or ignored. For the tweens/teens who love his latest appearance in a teen rag, there’s the rest of us who want more “Somebody Out There.”

I too am bothered that Jive/Azoff don’t seem more creative in marketing David as BOTH a teen pop star and a serious artist (I think it can be done). But, for the moment, I’ll cut them some slack because the tween/teen market is the most obvious and the most definable market to play to. And, in these tough economic times, I’m not going to scold them (yet) for maximizing the most superficial qualities of David to cover their bottom line.

Dear Rascal, I usually only lurk here and rarely post, but I would like to say something now.

If you can’t find the artistic value of the pictures taken by Matt Clayton, then clearly you miss a very important point of photography. I don’t mean to be harsh or anything, but photography is not only about showing something inscrutable – that’s only one aspect of this wonderful art. Photography is also about seeing and capturing beauty in simplicity, in normalcy, in naturalness, in small things, in still things. It doesn’t always have to be loud, provocative and in-your-face. Especially when the subject the photographs are focusing on is anything but loud, provocative and in-your-face.

Sometimes the subject show in a photograph is interesting and intrigueing enough, it doesn’t need an artificial extra something. And for me that is the case here.

You complain about the teenie mag photographs – and rightly so, I hate most of the pictures and articles in them! (haha) But they are a necessary evil I guess, because David still IS a teenager, and us older fans have to accept that he is marketed as a teen popstar right now. And, honestly, from a marketing person’s point of view it would be silly to not try and get the most out of that huge and quite powerful demographic that’s so easy to impress.And those mags simply cater to their readers’ taste. Even if I have to say, sometimes I think those teen-mags don’t give teenagers enough credit. But that’s another story, entirely.

Anyway, Matt Clayton – thank the Lord – didn’t go bublegum on us, didn’t focus on the teen popstar image of David like those teen-mags do. No. His pictures show a mature yet playful/quirky side of David, but subtly. They picked mature outfits and went for a slightly geeky, square look (because that’s what the photoshoot was for), and the poses and looks David is giving us range from natural, to quirky, to thoughtful, to funny – and some even have a tiny touch of a romantic, dreamy and I daresay sexy/flirty to them. But all of it is displayed in a subtle, gentle, almost low-scaled way.

And that’s essentially who and what David is. I think Matt Clayton did an outstanding job capturing David’s personality, and that’s an art all in itself.

Also, if you don’t see anything inscrutable in any of these pics, then you are not looking at the same pics as I. Granted, some of the pictures are more classic fashion-photography-like shots. And David has such an open personality – and it shows in some of the pictures. And why would someone want to mystify him if that’s not who he is? I for one can do without a forced attitude and all that. But there are also pictures that show David’s inscrutable, more introvert (e.g. the one where he’s sitting on the floor). In some of the pictures he’s looking right at you, the viewer – not at the camera, but right through it – with a quite unreadale look in his eyes, and honestly, I for one would love to know what is going through his head.

Also, allow me to make one more addition to this comment. I know this world is crazy fast-paced, and I guess especially for an advertising executive like you (since the advertising business is simply crazy tough and things often have to happen and get done at a neckbreaking speed. I’ve been there myself, so I understand where you’re coming from ) it is hard to understand that some people just don’t work that way, that they don’t submit themselves to this world’s crazy, unhealthy pace. And I’m gonna be honest here, I get a bit weary of the constant demands for David to do this or that and do it NOW. I say, allow him to do all these things, to grow as a person and as an artist, at his own pace. Instead of wanting more, more, more, why not see what he’s accomplished in such a short time, what a long way he’s come already.

You want David to do things at your pace but at the same time demand of him to make decisions for himself. Just because he doesn’t go around making demands, doesn’t mean he hasn’t made a decision for himself. Maybe his decision simply was/is to go with the flow and see what’ll happen next. I don’t think we’ll ever see David do anything he doesn’t want to. Shyness and humility is not weakness and lack of will. Besides, David already is growing so fast – if he grew any faster, I’d get worried for his sanity.

Two quick things: First, I wish some of you would try not to exaggerate what I say (I exaggerate very well enough on my own) — I said I like the Clayton photographs. When I equivocate about the style of the layouts I am referring to the skill of the photographer, not to whether or not David comes off well — David, as usual, looks terrific.

Second, the notion that there is no downside to the emphasis on the teen market (e.g., HG: “As for the teen mag stuff, I mean, seriously, what person who is inclined to take music seriously would really be reading teen mags? They’re designed for tweens and teens, not us.”) is, with all due respect, naive and short-sighted. First of all, market positioning has resonance. Even for people who would never pick up such a publication, there is at least a vague recognition on the part of those ‘inclined to take music seriously’ where in the landscape of musical artists a particular individual is being placed. But more important–much more important–is the impression given to those in the industry, those with the ability to either dismiss or favor an artist’s chances for serious success. Like much of the world–and unlike us older Archies–most of these people don’t think for themselves. They make assumptions based on market positioning. Someone brought up Johnny Depp as an example, but made the wrong conclusion. Depp had a very difficult time breaking out of the prettyboy TV actor mold, and consistently acknowledges regret at having been featured in all those teen magazines. It very nearly destroyed his chances at legitimate success. It’s hard for those of us with the Jesus 2.0 complex to imagine anything that David can’t do, but why in God’s name make it any more difficult than it already is?

But Rascal, David is 18, not 28. You cant expect him to fit into a credible adult world when he is still only young. He is who he is, his age is what it is. We cant spin it in any other way.

If David is to have a successful adult career, he will have to reinvent himself out of that when the time is right. Michael Jackson did it. Madonna does it all the time. Its part of having longevity as artist. But it is useless, and even more destructive, for David to try and pretend to be an adult when he clearly is not one yet. This sort of marketing is tailored to who David is now, we may not like it as is it not aimed at us, but it is a neccessity for Davids growth right now.

Rascal, I was the one who brought up Johnny Depp, and his “regret” is mere hindsight. The kind of “gee, I wish I didn’t smoke pot” kind of thing an adult would say. I beg to differ that it was his posing in teen mags that caused him not to be taken seriously and more that he was a “pretty boy,” and all pretty boys have this issue of shaking off their “cuteness.” I imagine this influenced why he did movies like Edward Scissorhands and What’s Eating Gilbert Grape.

But, honestly, if David was going to be worried about being taken seriously as a musician later in life, I’m sure being an American Idol contestant is going to be much more difficult to shake off than any J-14 appearance, I would think.

I just think music is a little different. Acting is a whole other animal (concerning heart throbs like Depp struggling for relevance). Actors are pompous and all about their image. Musicians, more than any other artist, have been notorious for completely transforming their images with each new album. They are definitely more malleable in this capacity.

In the long haul, I don’t see David having a hard time transforming his image when he’s, say, 25 vs. 19.

Chens, dude, I could kiss you! You know just exactly what to say and how! I totally agree again!

Chenson, I echo everything you say. The Michael Jackson example is a prime one! He went from cute and sweet little Michael to the pop sensation that came into prominence when he was 25 and came out with Thriller.

We won’t talk about the downhill that came after (and much of that, IMO, is less about his crazy, predilections for little boys and cosmetic-surgery alterations, and more about his fallout with SONY). One day, we will get the behind-the-scenes scoop on why the many 80s sensations got derailed whenever they went up against evil SONY, but that’s a different subject and one that I hope David will never have to experience. So far, as Annie said, he’s getting a lot of love from industry folks, so this bodes well for his future.

Sandybeaches, it’s why there’s a market for tweens and teens. Everybody knows parents will cater to their whims and desires, especially the current generation.

By contract, David still does not have “control” of most of the choices made as long as he continues with Jive. They are “in house” with American Idol. But you are exactly right—-the sooner he separates himself from that, the better. We want to see much more of the style he sung on American Idol and that made us all love him in the first place. I would guess that that is what David wants as well, but is being held back from his true potential and true greatness at this point.

Ah Rascal#46, you are definitely on fire with your “realism” today.

I still think you’re jumping the gun with this one. And I agree with Valbraz that you need to be part of David’s consulting team.

Freo, if we could get a private David concert for 5K, I’m guessing the readers of this blog would have that raised in, oh, about 20 minutes, lol! What bad economy?

(Speaking of the economy… Rascal, I get to take a forced furlough of one week without pay in Feb. as my company strives to pay the bills. I’m hearing that that kind of thing is spreading like wildfire right now.)

What establishes reputation is whatever is the the basis for popularity. Most of the public as well as the industry can only hold one reason, or basis, in their minds at a time. It’s the reason why incredibly beautiful people who may also be extremely talented are always fighting the perception that their popularity is based on their looks rather than their skill. They need to overcompensate in the other direction (see Charlize Theron). David already has the albatross of Idol as something he will need to fight against, at some level, to establish a more legitimate basis for his popularity… Why increase the challenge with full-blown teen idol-dom? Teen idol-dom is utterly notorious for diminishing chances at legitimate success. For every Justin and Johnny, there are a hundred other kids who got the full teen-rag treatment and whose names have long been through the shredder.

Caseydog — Be glad yours was only a week.

Good point, Rascal. My colleagues at the rival paper across town are likely to all lose their jobs in 60 days when the paper shuts down. At this point I’m preparing for the worst as well.

Caseydog, I am telling my journalism students to think online, that they need to think multi-media so that their work can adapt to online publications. I’m a huge print mag and newspaper junkie. It’s sad to see so many papers shutting down!

I agree–the photos of him cuddling a stuffed animal and signing a little girl’s journal don’t work. It is like marketing to 13-year-olds. I teach 18-year-olds and even those images are way too young for them. They would roll their eyes at them. They would be into the hottest Clayton photos (like the one of him in the white undershirt and arms showing).

Freo: We’re going to see a startling wave of newspaper failures in 2009. Even though I’m on the online side, it’s still frightening.

After talking with some of the younger journalists (we have some really bright interns), I think people are wrong to think that papers are failing because young people aren’t as interested in current events and news analysis. It’s simply a case of the platform – print is dying. Newspapers were too monolithic to adjust to the changing paradigm. And what’s most maddening to me as that instead of changing the platform, newspapers are laying off journalists – THE TALENT that could actually help them maintain relevance and beat online competitors.

Sorry to go off on this rant that has nothing to do with David! Is there a new vlog yet?

I can’t complain Clayton’s photos, if compared with the teen magazine, they are so lovely.

I surfed snarkies this morning, and they used one of them to make a fake Converse poster… it’s just perfect… Or there is something wrong when it is so perfect, if that supposed showing David’s artistry (if not, then forget it).

However, I won’t say it’s a marketing fault… a strong minded artist, would request to get what they want. And I doubt David, at this stage, is that strong.. and I doubt David would insist his opinion on “photo shooting”…. I really doubt.

I hope one day David understood a good photo tell everything, as he understood music, then he might know how to connect himself to a image (at least please don’t pose anything like the “dog” photo).

Remember the photo of David ringing the bell? Remember the video of it where he’s ask to pick a prop from the assorted items? I was a bit offended by that photo at the time but never said anything. That’s kind of like the S.O.P. for taking a studio photo of an infant.

I also agree with Ebonyangel that he needs a publicist (or a new one if he’s already got one).

I realised i just called Britney Spears an artist in my previous post.

GAH!!!

Interesting viewpoints today. I really like the Clayton photos, especially considering the context in which they were taken. He looks very comfortable and has a quiet confidence.

I understand the necessary evil of the teen heart throb, mag issue, just really don’t like the “stuffed animal” type pics. Maybe I am just too old. But, it doesn’t send me over the edge crazy. I too can be accused of being impatient regarding David’s career and I have to remind myself that he really is in the fledgling stage of his career and that I have to let it take it’s due course. And yes, there will be ups and downs and hits and misses; and David will take his lumps like everyone else and learn and move forward.

I really hope and pray that what AnniefromtheEU wrote in post #40 about Jive and their understanding of David and his talent and his future is point on. However, there is this nagging in the back of my mind that says, “in tinsel town it is all about the bottom line.” That is the part that scares me.

Freo 52 and Caseydog – Who could arrange a private concert for ND’rs? I’ll sell my car.

Re: the tweey stuff
Celebs develop a marketing persona it’s true. David, on the other hand, is what he is – Wholesomeness and positive energy emitted from a core that is musical genius. This persona is a magnet for all ages and populations, to wit the variety of stars and civilians who have fallen for him. He won’t get tattoos and toss around the f-bomb to broaden his appeal. Nor will he talk about what base he stops at with girls, like JoBros do. He will keep being David. He has stated before that his singing is like a ‘mission’ (think LDS) and he has been ‘trusted’ with this visibility/popularity and has to reach out to as many as possible, and socially, the tweens are his crowd.
I want to continue to trust the archlator and his guiding star. He has a stubborn if quiet determination to push incrementally toward his goal. We have to hope he can maintain the balance.
Life is about balance and lucky stars. And if the balance is a little off from time to time, let’s remain patient by counting some of his lucky stars. They’re endless. How about the fact that he’s a tiny little guy with these big hands and long fingers that are a big bonus for piano players (just noticed this because I have fat stubby fingers and gave up piano many years ago haha).

Whatjusthappened, you are so spot on! Are you a de-lurker too?

Anyway, my fellow NDers, would love to keep up this conversation, but duty calls, and I’ve got to get started with my work day.

Until next time!

Hello – new to ND; but loving it already!

#73 – Little guy w/ big hands & long fingers.. Hmmm… just now noticed that. And you are right! Interesting…

#78 Now THAT explains the newly formed triceps!! It’s so great that David takes the time out to keep his fans informed on his whereabouts and happenings.

“..the flag kept like hitting me in the face.”
Totally adorkable! I love how he blogs stuff like it’s news. ODDrs have already watched it like 10,000 times, commented on it hundreds of times and basically memorized Every Move He Makes ( am I the only one who used to sing that song and not realize it was about stalking?) This could explain a lot of things…
Keep blogging David. We love hearing from you.
Maybe we could make a game show where Rascal flashes a pic of David and you try to be the first one to identify the pic with the date, locale, and special moments, or play a couple of seconds of David singing and the contestant has to identify the song and when and where he was singing. We would have a number of worthy contenders here of ND.

#81 WJH – OMG! that song IS about stalking, isn’t it?!

Welcome back, Rascal, you’ve been missed (in case you haven’t noticed!). Loving the discussion.

Speaking of questionable management advice: What idiot told David to stop rambling? lol

Chenson, “Ultimately, the art wins.” Couldn’t agree more. I think that’s precisely why the Johnny Depps and Leo DiCaprios moved past their teen-dream images to become appreciated for the artists they are today.

And one advantage of being pinned up in the lockers and bedrooms of teens and tweens is that they grow up along with you. And, trust me, that puppy love can mature right along with an artist’s career if (and it’s a big IF) the talent, the art, warrants it. And in David’s case, we all know it does, big time.

I think when we fans see him cuddling a stuffed toy we cringe a little cause we know the TMZs and ETs that tore him to bits during A.I. will use it as more ammo to poke fun at him. But I admire so much that he probably knows that too… and does it anyway cause that’s who he is.

Angelica #80: “We are all infected with ODD because deep inside we know that what we have discovered in David Archuleta, what we all “get”, is a Great Artist in his ascension, the likes of which we have not seen in our lifetimes.”

Amen!

I think the main comment I have about the whole picture topic, is there seems to be a lack of cohesiveness in their game plan (if one exists) on how they want to portray him.

The album photo shoot depicted a serious, more edgy David as did the Elle photoshoot. The Clayton photos depicted a younger more natural David. (Personally I felt they showed a glimpse of what I think David is really like).

The teen mag pics just appeared childish and the timing of their release seemed almost as if they were going backwards on his image developement. (I actually felt uncomfotable thinking that he even had to pose for them).

I realize that showing alot of different sides to him can also be interesting but the disparity is a bit glaring.

Ironically, here we are spending all this time fretting about this and I wonder if David even thinks about things like this. I doubt it. I get the impression that, to him, we are “his people”, that age and gender are not a factor and he would never want to exclude or single out any of us.

Maybe it’s not the best “business” move and publicists may look at this like a lack of strategy, but I think in its own way it actually is a strategy. David would probably say, hey, it “Works for Me”.

Freofan, I wish I was going tonight but, alas, no. Happy and Ninaf are going and I can’t wait to hear every Archudetail!

Rascal, I know what you’re saying with your headline “Image is Everything” but oh, it makes me sad….

SB #92, go to http://fansofdavid.com and keep scrolling down till you see them.

good afternoon all..just a quick note..go to MSN to see
David listed TWICE as AI’s most memorable singers and unforgettable personalities..TWICE. the only one listed TWICE!!

OK, that’s all for now..will post later about “IMAGE”.

#94 smanda: I don’t feel anxious anymore either, smanda. I have a sense of peace and certainty that is coming straight from intuition rather than pure facts.

Hard Rock-Times Square Update:

Happy and Ninaf just called me. They are inside the Hard Rock Cafe in Times Square. They said the room David will perform in is one wall away and they can hear a drummer warming up now.

A line is forming outside the entrance on the sidewalk in 20 degree weather. The room reportedly can hold 1000 ppl, has a raised stage and a balcony and only 200 ppl are going to be in the room. Doors open at 6pm, David’s performance begins at 7pm and the event is over at 8pm.

Apparently, there is no bad place to be in the room to hear and see David perform.

Happy and Ninaf and daughters are warm and tucked in at a table in HRC enjoying a pre-show snack.

They said they call me as they can with updates!!!!!

I only made it to comment 39 …

David has stated that he wants to be recognized as a serious artist, dedicated to his craft.

But, I wonder, by whom exactly? 1) The easily manipulated market strategy believing general public? 2) Or his musical piers, songwriters, producers? 3) How about his discerning fans who have recognized from the start his potential and likely longevity?

1) These people – teens/tweens (and older?) will buy his CD’s cause he’s cute, a heartthrob, and his music is fun/catchy to listen to…
2) Those who have worked with David have given acknowledgement to his artistry by commenting on his professionalism, focus, and work ethic in the recording studio; stating that they would gladly work with him again. Also, was it Jason Marz or John Mayr that said he would be happy to work with him, after hearing David’s comment about needing to mature as an artist first before any collaboration, feeling that if David recognized this then he was well on his way.
3) These people will buy his CD’s because we know he is amazing.

Bottom line is David will get support in the music industry from those (2) willing to continue to collaborate with him and by the public (1 and 3) who will buy his music. The bigger the fan base – astute or not, the better chance David will be able to continue to create the kind of music he wants to, to a much greater degree.

Have I tried to simplify this too much?

Ultimately, it seems to me that David is having fun doing what he is doing right now and I am going to enjoy the exciting experience it will be to watch him mature and grow musically over the many years to come.

As to Matt Clayton’s photographs – they have provided me with the most natural, character revealing photos I have seen of David so far. And those EYES, do they come out of the page to pierce you or what?

KIZZIIIIIII!!!!!!!! How exciting! Thank you for giving updates! If you text back – tell them I send hugs! I hope they soak it all in and enjoy it totally and completely! ♥

And….does he sound good? That might be a silly question, I know….

Kizzi #104 Angels! Lovely, haven’t heard that in a while. Love the updates!

Oh, I am sooo happy for them!! 200 people??? In a room that holds 1000???? One word – *THUD*

I know TOfan! Like, I can almost hear him singing! Oh, wait – that’s my iTunes.

Kizzi – thank you for sharing this great info!!!

Kizzi, thanks so much for the updates!!! What a treat this evening. I am curious how long he will perform.

Kizzi – thank you so much! Tell Happy that we are all there in spirit. Sigh………

SF-they are sweethearts, they are! I love living vicariously through them Heck, anyone who gets to go!

I like the spirit and style of the Clayton photographs. The article in the Square Magazine was the perfect companion piece. It was mostly about David being David. No matter hat he was doing the interview from a cell phone whilst attempting to hide by facing a wall! I offer this blog entry from Counting David’s Character web site. It’s another slant on the topic of “Image is Everything”.

Abrra

http://countingdavidscharacter.blogspot.com/

In 1986 the group “Huey Lewis and The News” released their single, “Hip to Be Square”, which reached number three on the Billboard Hot 100. That oxymoronic song title seems to adequately describe David Archuleta. David is clean, well-groomed, polite, decent, moral, and about as straight as they come. By today’s standards, David Archuleta is square. The dictionary defines square as someone who is an old-fashioned, conservative, person.

What is sad, and unfortunate, is that today’s music industry has done everything in their power to make sure their artists steer clear of anything closely resembling being square. Who would have imagined the degeneration of music such that songs now come in two versions, “explicit” and “clean”. If being cool means pushing aside character, then it truly is better to be square.

What is remarkable about David Archuleta is that he’s proving that you don’t have to be void of character to be hip or popular. In fact him being square, a word I am loosely equating with character for sake of this article, is the very quality that has made David Archuleta unique, and refreshing, among other pop stars. The music industry so desperately needs David Archuleta.

Hey David!…slick down your hair, throw on that cardigan sweater and embrace your squareness. You’ve got tons of fans who will support you for that very reason and remember that whatever name the music industry, or anyone else, wants to give you…you’ve proven it’s hip to be square.

As Huey Lewis sang, “You might think I’m crazy, but I don’t even care, because I can tell what’s going on…It’s hip to be square”.

#80 Angelica,
OMG, your post has me floored. It is simply the stunning truth about the state of affairs concerning David. On the drive home from work I was thinking about withdrawal symptoms when David starts to grow away from us due to the inevitable maturity of life when we are not physically sick if we don’t see or hear from him for a day. I’m already a puddle of goo when it comes to him and I shudder to think of a time when we are not so obsesed over his every sighting.

Re – Blog Discussion, even though we are delirious over the fact that we get to see and hear David again, its ironic that the publishers of those teen mags are responsible for this concert.

Happy is listening through an “accordion wall” and has heard David rehearse Crush, ALTNOY twice and now Angels.

ANGELS!!! GAH!!!!

Omigosh Ashley! I cannot wait for the video uploads!

Thanks for the update, Kizzi (and Happy!)!

Just had a long conversation with Happy and she is sooo HAPPY!! She said there will actually be more like 500 people there. Still..can you just imagine how very intimate that is??
She also said that most of the people in line ranged in ages from upper teens and young adults, not just “little tweens”.

I have GOT to meet beautiful, wonderful Happy & Ninaf!!

What I loved about David’s Sac bash performance is that he appeared to be so comfortable in being young, and yes, a hot guy. The performance was both classy and hot. What concerns me about some DA fan sites with also a religious and certain social and political leanings (and I’m not going to name specific ones or sites) is that they equate moral, cleanness, and square with a sense of guilt and shame about one’s physical attraction and sexuality. I fear that he will get flak from those fans.

#127 – You just wrote exactly what I was thinking. I stay away from those places. It raises my blood pressure.

Betsy, #129, I’m there with you. I think that David is getting a lot of pressure from that community. I would not be surprised if he heard about it after the Sac performance.

David is wearing a plaid shirt, scarf, & jeans..the call was breaking up..couldn’t get everything happy said..dang!

annie #124..those photos don’t look recent..more like before or during AI..I mean he looks older in person than he does in those pics..hard to buh-lieve they are current.

Archufanvention – Private Concert

I’m in!

SF,
Those photos look like the ones possibly from the AOL sessions. I’m just basing this on the outfit.

Freo I worry more about that issue than I do the broader image and marketing question. I think that having character is a positive thing, I just don’t like other people defining what it is for others.

The funny thing is that I think David knows exactly what he is doing and what kind of vibe he is giving out at any given time. I think back to one of the chapstick videos, someone off camera is questioning him in regards to chapstick and he laughs and throws his head back, not coquettish, but just a young man reveling in the attention and enjoying it as he should. He should never have to explain or apologize for it. In those pictures where he is simply smoldering, he is not thinking of scripture or calculus, and neither is the photographer. But I am going off on a tangent here, we are talking about image today, correct?

Oh my heck, I am so excited for Happy and Ninaf and all of David’s fans tonight! It’s been too long since we’ve had a live performance of his CD songs. SSB just was not enough, was it? On another note that has been brought up here tonight, I don’t see a problem with David having high moral standards and also bringing a smoking, seductive, masculine sensuality to his performances. Besides, bless his heart, he can’t help it.

What time was the performance???

SF…anything else???

Singing ALTNOY!!!

I’m listening to him sing ALTNOY right now….from Snarkies….reception not very good but hey, it’s DAVID!!!!

HG..what are the chances that David’s fans COULD hire David to perform at a Davidfanvention!! wouldn’t that be a hoot! Two..one in the eastern part of the states, and one in the west..

Wonder if we could pull something like that off?? He couldn’t be THAT expensive could he..and maybe this year would be the best time..before he GETS way too expensive!! hahaha!

David is singing 1000 miles!!

silverfox – i’m with you! from that college tour info earlier on cook (at snarkies), cook’s asking $5k to $7k per show. Could we raise that amount? Not sure, but i’d surely pitch in. I think the big problem would be where?

but, you’re right, this is the only time we could possibly afford him!??! LOL

David messed up a little on 1000 miles..he’s laughing & apologized!! hahaha!

Singing CRUSH!!

Well, we want a fanvention and figured it would be during one of his concerts knowing we may not even have a chance to meet with David..BUT, if we can “hire” David to perform for us…That is a very exciting proposition!!

They are all screaming ENCORE!! He came back out!!

Acapella!!!

Cannot WAIT for the videos from tonight!

I just read the reason he flubbed a little on 1000 miles was because he was concerned for a girl in the front row. Maybe they were pushing a bit too hard or something!!

Also sounds like the played the wrong music track for Crush and he started to dance like MC Hammer with his hands waving in the air. Ok…..videos….NOW…. PULEEESE!!!

I love the idea of a private engagement. I saw, go for it, we only live once. The worse they could say is no.

I know that Michael Johns and Carly have done private engagements. If we met his booking fee, would he be willing to do it? What if had a concert of notingdavid fans? What if we held it in New York, and he (and probably Jeff) could stay with someone to keep down costs? We could get a very small venue — what about a restaurant or even a community center?

I would be totally in. We’d have to somehow limit attendance, as we could be flooded with requests to attend.

I love to plan events, but I haven’t worked in the business world.

A friend of mine is hugely into folk music and he pulled something like this off. He invited an artist in for a private concert/fundraiser, and she even stayed at his house. It took a lot of planning, but it all worked out great and was very professionally done.

I heard on Snarkys he shimmied!! Shimmied!!! Oh no. I saw him do a one second shoulder shimmy at the start of SBM on a youtube video and I could not stop playing that one second over and over and over…..

Must…have..video..

There are some pictures from tonight at snarky archies.

Can’t wait for the video!!!! I’ll Be – oh my!!

just spoke with happy..No M&G with David..boo-hoo! She said only a few with passes were allowed..

See, that’s what having an inside source does..the FOD & snarky’s girls always get M&G passes…
Do I sound jealous? Well, I am! Dang it! Just kidding..more power to ‘em!

David shimmied?! MUST. HAVE. VIDEO.

I agree with Freo it doesn’t hurt to try for a private concert. It’s a fabulous idea. I’m partial to a New York show myself… ha ha!

But I’m sure we can compromise…

Djasgirl certainly that was snark? Some of it just has to be.

And rascal, way late to the discussion, but I cringe at the teeny-bopper “pimping” as you say, of David. Those magazines of course need a constant supply of teen idols to keep them in business. I am actually glad that the Jonas Bros and the HSM guys can fill those front page spots so David can play a more minor role. But come on guys, he’s an Artist, not some gimmicky, industry-created teen star that will disappear by next season. I’d be delighted if he never did another teen magazine spread.

If it makes anyone feel better, tonight at dinner my 15yo was talking about how Paul McCartney used to complain about the band’s teen idol image — wanted to be taken seriously. LOL.

Can’t make a NY show — public or private — but if the group manages to swing this I’ll enjoy vicariously and expect GREAT vids.

Speaking of which… can’t wait for some from tonight.

Brooklyndawn#181, I completely overlooked that comment from Djasgirl until you pointed it out. And now that I’ve read it… Ouch!

Djasgirl, are you sure you’re a fan? Not that I’m policing the fanbase, mind you, but there must be something you still like about the Archulator.

SF, do you know who has the “inside source,” as you put it? Contacting AZOFF is a start, but an inside source might be able to facilitate the process.

I’m in California, but I’d fly to a private ND concert in NYC (or anywhere else). Gah… that is a lovely lovely fantasy!

Would you allow ND “lurkers” in this private fanvention…….hahaha??

HG #189 – no need to ask that question, imho. that was basically a personal attack. so that’s why i left it alone….things like that only grow when given attention.

anyhoo…i’m waiting on video from tonight. And if anyone seriously pursues this private show thing, i’m in for a NYC (or anywhere within a few hours drive) venue! But even if it doesn’t work out, i have a feeling that NYC will be a stop on David’s upcoming tour.

omigosh, I get home late and can’t believe what I’ve missed… play-by-play Hard Rock updates, I’ll Be acapella!!!!, new AOL pics and talk of a PRIVATE CONCERT???? Totally count me in…

rascal – OMG, count me in. Hope I could swing coming.
Regardless, I would contribute to the cause anyway.

I’m thinking that a private concert might be better co-ordinated to be in a city where David will be for his solo tour… no extra travel for David and we would get to see TWO concerts!

Anyone with music business experience know who to contact to find out if a private booking is possible if his booking fee is met? I would think his fee would be around Cook’s cost, but maybe I am wrong. Would they allow a private individual to put up David and/or Jeff to save on expenses (ie., do they have insurance stipulations that prohibit that)? Does the booking fee also cover his flight costs?

We should first find out if it is possible. If the answer is yes, we should probably then get moving on it to secure a date far in advance and venue.

Rascal, does the room you mentioned have decent acoustics? Is there a piano there, or could we have one moved in there?

rascal – I’m totally serious about a private concert. I would fly anywhere and your NY location sounds perfect. Isn’t this literally your dream?

Awestruck – I’m with you, I’m am getting shaky just thinking about it!!!

Will love to see video of tonights performance, but getting shakey is for the possible Private Concert!!!

So he took audience suggestions and sang “I’ll Be.” Too much!!

OK..now down too the business of “IMAGE”..my, my, my! First off..I love Clayton’s photos of David. David “posed” the way he was directed..as always. If you see the photos taken the same day, I buh-lieve, of David with his parents..he’s himself, no “posing”..just David with the two people he loves most in this world. The photos go exactly with what the magazine wants to portray. So David, is kinda like playing a part in the photos. I personally don’t consider David a “square”..I think he’s pretty hip and cool. For instance..when have we seen David with his hair like the photos..especially lately? Or wearing dress (church) slacks? Or a cardigan? or a T-shirt..although that would be lovely!
He’s playing a part for what the magazine requires. And it’s exposure, for gosh sakes! the more exposure the better,,whether it’s teen mags, square mags for square people, or Time for the people who think they know everything..(like me..I subscribe)..better those mags than trash rags with trashy rumors..So to me, good exposure is always good..
David is going at his own pace..We are the impatient ones. I do want more from David..yesterday, today, tomorrow…but I am willing to follow, to trust that AZOFF & Jive know what they have in David..and that if they don’t, that Jeff, who must have David’s best interest’s always as his number one priority, will see that they, AZOFF & Jive do too. As far as image..David was certainly NOT considered anything but a professional artist during the AI or Jingle concerts. He was respected by all who met him. I just don’t see a problem with his “image” at this time. I think David will have some big surprises in his concerts this year..Hi “image” may just get bigger than life. He knows what works and what doesn’t..you could say the tours he did last year were “rehearsals”..he will amaze, I am sure!

One more thing..David is no dummy..he has worked too many years & given up too much to let something like the wrong image sabotage his dreams..It just won’t happen. And He will manage to follow the path, his destiny, without having to sell his soul, like so many other young artists. That’s what makes him so special. Where other young singers have had to re-invent themselves..from teen pop star, to sex trash just to get away from the pop star image, then the “comeback trail”..David will never have to do that.
I trust David..he will not disappoint..
djasgirl..long time no see…you asked who will care in five years? So little faith you have in David. But I have no prerequisite that David MUST reach superstar status..if he never does..that’s ok by me..I will be a fan forever..but he will continue to make great music and that’s the most important thing, isn’t it? Whatever missteps you thinks he’s made so far..He’s here..he’s a heck of a lot father than he was a year ago, is he not? Even with all the missteps!
BTW..how’s college?

Here’s the You Tube video of Crush (with his epic dancing!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwru7lZ1sQI

The boy can bust a move! ha ha! I’m beginning to believe his cousin Vanessa, who once swore David’s been holding out on us (she once said that he does a really good Harlem Shake, if you can picture it – that’s a hip-hop dance).

Here’s I’ll Be (a capella):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwru7lZ1sQI

A Thousand Miles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBJh7XZybFU

He’s really in a playful mood, isn’t he?

Rascal, that’s a tall order (planning for a $25,000 event). Any ideas on fundraising (besides just us contributing our $$ for the tickets)?

The fact that we’re already talking about it means it can be done.

If $200 for $200 were charged, that would cover the cost of booking fee, band, food, security, etc. I bet there are 200 people out there who would pay $200, especially if word got out into other fan sites to other rabid fans. People spent hundreds of dollars to travel to Ford Day, also an intimate venue, and David performed for about 15-20 minutes.

If this event works out, I’d be happy to help out with some type of casual fan gathering for folks who got there early in the day. Maybe my Chicago buddy ( ) and a few others could help, too.

The camera thing is fine with me. Meeting other ND people, and seeing a private concert, would be incredible.

Hey guys!

Just a few random thoughts….

*Do you think $5-$7K is really a reasonable fee for David? I sort of wonder if Cook’s fee might be artificially low because he’s trying to plan a tour on such short notice, is not really an in-demand artist for college students (compared to others on that listing – Ben Folds, Jack’s Mannequin, Matt Nathanson, Beck…), and wants a packed tour itinerary. I mean, that rate is so much lower than all the others…

*Did David do a bit of the chicken noodle soup dance at the beginning of Crush?

Carry on

I love how in the middle of ATM the pedals seemingly got too far away from his feet and he mutters, “Just a sec”, and get right back without a break in pitch.

I also LOVE his newfound ease on stage. and like you said SF,HG -nothing seems to faze him totally. He’s probably feeling a bit rested and relaxed from his mini vac.
If anyone still doubts that David isn’t enjoying this – they better think again.

“I’ll take requests”???? ROTFLMAO And those moves??? What’s not to love about David Archuleta?

Rascal, how about one “class” photo?

I cannot stop watching the dance moves video! ha ha!

That definitely made my night.

RASCAL: PLEASE COUNT ME IN FOR A NYC “PRIVATE” SHOW! HE’S IN OUR BACK YARD NOW AND I CAN’T TAKE IT THAT COULDN’T BE THERE!

Sorry about that.

Try this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF1rDyEdObs

One more Love comment – lol!

I wanted to say on other occasions, no matter where David is performing as as small as this or as large as MSG, he has developed a sense of intimacy with his voice esp. whenever he sings ATM. You get the feeling like when you surround a person playing the piano and everyone joins in for a sing-along.

I think his casual attire adds to this effect and you feel warm and cozy just listening to an old friend. It doesn’t matter if he has a flub here or there – the point is to just relax and enjoy the moment.

Nothing is gimmicky and you feel hardly any separation betweem him and the you – the audience.

whatjusthappened230- count me in for the private NDr concert!!! do you all have it planned out??

Hi Happy!!

How was your night?

Happy – You were so fabulous to take time to share what was going on at HRC. You are famous!!!

Can I have your autograph?

OK..The David Fanvention Concert by the notingdavid family is GOING to happen!

Do we was to have it coinside with one of his concerts in or around the NY area?

And of course..rascal will have to be the MC..no if’s ands or but’s,
will not take no for an answer!!

Hello gorgeous# “The fact that we’re already talking about it means it can be done”. I LIKE that attitude. Smart, savvy bunch here. I would travel for miles and miles to have the opportunity to meet this awesome bunch at ND. Add the VOICE, and I am there, wherever!

So excited about the possibility of the concert, but I have to say, he blew me away tonight. He was the whole package – awesome performance, great looking, charming, dancy, funny, spontaneous, confident, sexy…even on youtube his voice sounds great! Am I overstating or did he just take another big step tonight?